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Post by abright0 on Dec 22, 2011 22:32:36 GMT -5
Does anyone drink with their meals? I have always drank a tremendous amount with my food as long as I can remember. While I no longer drink 3-4 glasses with my meals, I do drink with them. I don't know how to eat without drinking. I know that it pushes the food through faster. Is there another reason not to drink with meals?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2011 22:39:41 GMT -5
With a standard DS you won't push food through faster when you drink with a meal. You still have the pylorus at the bottom of the stomach which regulates the release of food into the intestines. The only reason not to drink while eating is if there just isn't enough room in a tight sleeve and it causes a too-full feeling.
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Post by abright0 on Dec 22, 2011 22:46:13 GMT -5
With a standard DS you won't push food through faster when you drink with a meal. You still have the pylorus at the bottom of the stomach which regulates the release of food into the intestines. The only reason not to drink while eating is if there just isn't enough room in a tight sleeve and it causes a too-full feeling. I have no trouble eating. I ate 150 grams of protein yesterday with no problem, and drank plenty. Guess I shouldn't worry too much.
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Post by 2011Mommy on Dec 22, 2011 23:34:02 GMT -5
Drinking with meals is what attracted me to look at revising to a DS initially.... it's such a small thing but it sucks when that gets taken away (like for me with the Lapband)... can't wait to revise
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Post by sherbearmama on Dec 23, 2011 0:11:51 GMT -5
Does anyone drink with their meals? I have always drank a tremendous amount with my food as long as I can remember. While I no longer drink 3-4 glasses with my meals, I do drink with them. I don't know how to eat without drinking. I know that it pushes the food through faster. Is there another reason not to drink with meals? I drink with my meals--I feel like it slows me down and it also feels like it makes the food go down better. I don't drink much and I learn pretty quickly not to drink carbonated beverages while eating because the air took up too much room. I eventually just burp it out and then have room but who wants to wait for that?
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Post by YeahItsCase on Dec 23, 2011 0:31:27 GMT -5
I drink with my meals too..no matter what my doctors nurse tries to say (not within 30 minutes! dumb). No problems!
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Post by jillybean720 on Dec 23, 2011 7:13:12 GMT -5
I drink with meals. It isn't usually much because it makes me feel fuller, sometimes uncomfortably so, but I don't purposely NOT drink. And if we go to Red Robin, good luck counting the number of "freckled lemonades" I can toss back
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Post by Joanne on Dec 23, 2011 8:03:20 GMT -5
It doesn't push the food through faster: that's an RNY rule. We have our pyloric valve which maintains the passage of food through our stomach to our intestines. It's perfectly fine to drink with your meals.
That being said, earlier out you might not be able to fit in as much food if you drink a lot with your meals. For me, it was always easier to drink at the beginning of the meal. Think of the liquids passing through quickly. Once you eat and have food in your stomach, the liquid "sits" there more, and makes you more full.
Bottom line is as long as you are eating enough to get in your protein and aren't uncomfortably full, you can drink with your meals.
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Post by renegadeorange on Dec 23, 2011 10:56:48 GMT -5
I drink with meals, and I'm 2 weeks out. I don't drink a full glass or anything, but I do drink some water with mine. I agree, it was one of the things that first attracted me to the DS too. I always thought it would be strange to not drink with your meals.
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Post by RedSkittles on Dec 23, 2011 10:59:19 GMT -5
I always drink with meals. Early out, I didn't because I really didn't have room but I have plenty of room now.
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Post by KellyJTN on Dec 23, 2011 11:14:25 GMT -5
I drink with mine, but not all that much, just because it makes me full faster. I may drink 3-4 sips during a meal, but that's all.
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Post by baileymouse on Dec 23, 2011 13:50:52 GMT -5
I have to remind myself to drink with meals. For years the diet police said not to do it, then with the RNY I wasn't supposed to do it. Now with the DS revision I can, but I have to make myself drink.
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Post by pktwatch on Dec 24, 2011 10:46:07 GMT -5
Yep, I have no problem drinking with meals. Usually it is water or lemonade and only about half of a glass. I am 3 months out.........
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Post by justvonne on Dec 26, 2011 10:30:38 GMT -5
I drink with my meals fine most days, some days not so much. I am 6 months out.
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Post by beemerbeeper on Dec 26, 2011 20:31:05 GMT -5
With a standard DS you won't push food through faster when you drink with a meal. You still have the pylorus at the bottom of the stomach which regulates the release of food into the intestines. The only reason not to drink while eating is if there just isn't enough room in a tight sleeve and it causes a too-full feeling. I have no trouble eating. I ate 150 grams of protein yesterday with no problem, and drank plenty. Guess I shouldn't worry too much. Actually you should worry. Because if you don't understand (without asking us) why you can or can't drink with your meals then you don't understand your DS. What other misinformation are you using? Are you aware of the correct DS vitamin schedule that you need to be on? Are you aware of ALL the labs you need to have drawn and how often? Are you aware of the other DS diet tips and tricks that will break you or make you? Just wondering. Because the not drinking with meals thing typically comes with a lot of other BAD/WRONG/DANGEROUS information. ~Becky
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2011 21:57:09 GMT -5
Does anyone drink with their meals? I have always drank a tremendous amount with my food as long as I can remember. While I no longer drink 3-4 glasses with my meals, I do drink with them. I don't know how to eat without drinking. I know that it pushes the food through faster. Is there another reason not to drink with meals? I drink with meals all the time. Early out you need to pay attention to the space limitations, so I drank tiny sips. I basically need a bit of fluid for almost every bit I swallow. Now it's normal drinking.
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Post by Sandra C. on Dec 27, 2011 1:49:02 GMT -5
I sip protein drinks and water all day long to get enough fluid. as a kid, I never drank during meals, probably why I don't feel the need to drink with them now. My eating and drinking methods must be working, because I rarely feel hungry, and have no problem attaining my quota of protein and fluids.
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Post by abright0 on Dec 27, 2011 2:07:44 GMT -5
I like to follow the D.S guidelines my doctor advised because I went through a lot to have this surgery and I want to succeed with it for a lifetime. He wants drinking to be separated from eating to help us feel full longer so we won't be hungry for a long time, and to let the stomach digest on its own. His PA told me he makes the D.S. stomach smaller than most surgeons to facilitate weight loss by limiting large volume eating. At 4 months post surgery, I fill up with 3/4 to 1 c of food. I don't want to stretch out prematurely all the good work he has done to help me. I sip protein drinks and water all day long to get enough fluid. as a kid, I never drank during meals, probably why I don't feel the need to drink with them now. My eating and drinking methods must be working, because I rarely feel hungry, and have no problem attaining my quota of protein and fluids. My vitamin levels are all good too. I don't understand why anyone wouldn't want to follow the advice of the professionals in charge of their health care? For me, it is not a matter of not wanting to follow the guidelines. I have always drank with meals, and drank a lot. I can not eat without drinking something. Also, I should add that I get all my protein from food and have no need (or want) for shakes. Additionally, I spoke with my doctor about the drinking and he said it was fine as long as I was not filling up on liquid and unable to get adequate protein. It just concerned me, because I always get crap from people that know I had surgery about drinking with my meals.
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Post by Seeking Healthy on Dec 27, 2011 10:46:24 GMT -5
During my RNY years this was one of the things I absolutely hated about the RNY…not being able to drink with meals! It is such a natural thing to do. With my DS I drink all the time with meals and LOVE it.
Many get confused of the rules from the RNY to the DS. Even NUTs and some surgeons will give out RNY rules to DSers. IMO drinking with meals is OK. It just may limit the amount of food you will be able to intake so you will have to balance that in order to meet your protein requirements.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2011 12:20:17 GMT -5
I like to follow the D.S guidelines my doctor advised because I went through a lot to have this surgery and I want to succeed with it for a lifetime. He wants drinking to be separated from eating to help us feel full longer so we won't be hungry for a long time, and to let the stomach digest on its own. His PA told me he makes the D.S. stomach smaller than most surgeons to facilitate weight loss by limiting large volume eating. At 4 months post surgery, I fill up with 3/4 to 1 c of food. I don't want to stretch out prematurely all the good work he has done to help me. I sip protein drinks and water all day long to get enough fluid. as a kid, I never drank during meals, probably why I don't feel the need to drink with them now. My eating and drinking methods must be working, because I rarely feel hungry, and have no problem attaining my quota of protein and fluids. My vitamin levels are all good too. I don't understand why anyone wouldn't want to follow the advice of the professionals in charge of their health care? For me, it is not a matter of not wanting to follow the guidelines. I have always drank with meals, and drank a lot. I can not eat without drinking something. Also, I should add that I get all my protein from food and have no need (or want) for shakes. Additionally, I spoke with my doctor about the drinking and he said it was fine as long as I was not filling up on liquid and unable to get adequate protein. It just concerned me, because I always get crap from people that know I had surgery about drinking with my meals. Do what you need to do to get the food down at a meal. Pay attention to how much protein you're getting and you will be fine. That length-of-satiety thing is something where everyone's mileage varies. But if you get uncomfortable trying to eat food without anything to help it go down, that's just miserable, and there's no reason, with the DS, to inflict that misery on yourself.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2011 12:23:55 GMT -5
I don't understand why anyone wouldn't want to follow the advice of the professionals in charge of their health care? Because when it comes to how to eat and function with a DS, nine and a half times out of ten the "professionals" are wrong. Very simple.
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Post by Joanne on Dec 27, 2011 13:23:07 GMT -5
I like to follow the D.S guidelines my doctor advised because I went through a lot to have this surgery and I want to succeed with it for a lifetime. He wants drinking to be separated from eating to help us feel full longer so we won't be hungry for a long time, and to let the stomach digest on its own. His PA told me he makes the D.S. stomach smaller than most surgeons to facilitate weight loss by limiting large volume eating. At 4 months post surgery, I fill up with 3/4 to 1 c of food. I don't want to stretch out prematurely all the good work he has done to help me. I sip protein drinks and water all day long to get enough fluid. as a kid, I never drank during meals, probably why I don't feel the need to drink with them now. My eating and drinking methods must be working, because I rarely feel hungry, and have no problem attaining my quota of protein and fluids. My vitamin levels are all good too. I don't understand why anyone wouldn't want to follow the advice of the professionals in charge of their health care? Your surgeon has an excellent reputation, and I've met several of his DS'ers in person, so this isn't a comment specifically to him, but to all our surgeons as a group. Having surgical expertise and being a good "cutter" doesnt make someone an automatic authority on living with the DS. I choose to take most of my guidance from the hundreds of vets here who have gone through the surgery and have a DS. In this case, your surgeon's advice wont cause any harm. It doesnt matter, healthwise, if you drink or dont with your meals. If you dont miss it and it's a rule you want to follow, no harm no foul. Just saying that if you DID want to drink with your meal, as long as you can eat enough, no harm there either. FWIW, I have a very small stomach, too (made with a 38f bougie, about as small as they come with a DS) and I eat and drink together, and have been since the beginning. But the thing you should get your mindset around, is that our surgeons are not the be all / end all authorities on all things DS Life. While the advice on drinking or not with meals isn't going to be harmful, the advice most surgeons give on supplements is. They dont recommend nearly enough supplements. I bring this up because it truly is a mind shift to get that you will have to be your own advocate and make your own decisions on your DS. Admittedly when I first joined this group two years ago, I thought most of the vets went overboard on things, and that I would probably follow what my surgeon said. I learned quickly that's not the way to go about it.
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Post by Sandra C. on Dec 27, 2011 14:50:17 GMT -5
You are all bringing up very good points, what works for you is the best thing to do. ;-)
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Post by Joanne on Dec 27, 2011 15:14:32 GMT -5
Thanks for all your replies, they are very helpful, as always. Just trying to understand why so many have decided to go their own way so soon post surgery. Being in a medical family for 33 years, I have heard so many stories about patients who think they know more than their doctors. Not all doctors are at the top of their fields, and we watch out for ourselves ultimately of course. Certainly not trying to give any of you a hard time, if thats what you thought. I am an information seeker at heart, to find the best healthy way to live my life, not an aggressive poster. Some of you do jump on others rather quickly here, unnecessarily in this case. Sandra I dont know if this was directed to me specifically, and I hope I didnt come across as jumping on you. I understand what you're saying, and I felt the same way at first. I also work in healthcare. I can just say that this surgery is not common, and I found the most helpful thing to me is to take input from a variety of sources (my surgeon, my PCP, and the vets here) and then make up my own mind. I dont follow anyone or anything blindly. Here's an example. I take a ton of Vitamin D from Vitalady. Last visit with my surgeon he and his PA remarked about how good my Vitamin D levels are. The PA even said that I had the best levels she ever saw, and that all she does is write out Vit D rx's every day. I asked if she was writing the oil based capsules, and she said yes. I told her that as DS'er we dont absorb them well, which is why I only take dry Vitamin D. My surgeon looked at me in an OMG moment. My surgeon, like yours, is very experienced and respected in their field - but I learned about the Dry Vitamin D here.
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Post by Sandra C. on Dec 27, 2011 23:23:26 GMT -5
Thanks again, I am happy to hear about everyones experiences. GHP has created a separate night for D.S. support group once a month, second Wed of each month, with Dr. K. attending. Any new info he has is directly passed on to us. It was interesting to hear him say he is also there to learn from us to help his other patients. I haven't heard of any other doctors who relax with their patients in a group setting discussing anything and everything connected to the surgery. This site is my only link to other D.Sers. who are leading edge with current surgical experience. We are rare!! The rest of my doctors don't have any experience with this surgery because none of the hospitals in Kalamazoo offer the D.S. I have been educating them on all things D.S. Vitamin "D" is a tricky issue with me, because Dr. K loaded me up pre surgery. I had unbelievably high levels lasting untill 2 weeks ago, still not allowed to take any extra "D". He said it is now stored in my fat deposits, takes a long time to dissipate. My husband has been advocating lots of "D" for years. Its in everything now, all the vitamins, prepared shakes.........
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Post by abright0 on Dec 27, 2011 23:31:15 GMT -5
Thanks for all your replies, they are very helpful, as always. Just trying to understand why so many have decided to go their own way so soon post surgery. Being in a medical family for 33 years, I have heard so many stories about patients who think they know more than their doctors. Not all doctors are at the top of their fields, and we watch out for ourselves ultimately of course. Certainly not trying to give any of you a hard time, if thats what you thought. I am an information seeker at heart, to find the best healthy way to live my life, not an aggressive poster. Some of you do jump on others rather quickly here, unnecessarily in this case. Sandra You came across in your initial post as quite critical. Please remember that there is no tone when posting on a forum just as when you write an email. So people can get the wrong idea. You should always be cognitive of this when posting. Unless of course you intend to come across aggressive, then by all means, post your feelings, we like a good aggressive poster around here, just know we can get aggressive in return.
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Post by newyorkbitch on Jan 1, 2012 20:49:08 GMT -5
I like to follow the D.S guidelines my doctor advised because I went through a lot to have this surgery and I want to succeed with it for a lifetime. He wants drinking to be separated from eating to help us feel full longer so we won't be hungry for a long time, and to let the stomach digest on its own. His PA told me he makes the D.S. stomach smaller than most surgeons to facilitate weight loss by limiting large volume eating. At 4 months post surgery, I fill up with 3/4 to 1 c of food. I don't want to stretch out prematurely all the good work he has done to help me. I sip protein drinks and water all day long to get enough fluid. as a kid, I never drank during meals, probably why I don't feel the need to drink with them now. My eating and drinking methods must be working, because I rarely feel hungry, and have no problem attaining my quota of protein and fluids. My vitamin levels are all good too. I don't understand why anyone wouldn't want to follow the advice of the professionals in charge of their health care? Because many of us who have been around for a while know how much incredibly bad information and guidance is given to DSers by "professionals." I wonder - what are your doctor's guidelines for calcium and vitamin D? And who is your doctor?
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Post by sherbearmama on Jan 1, 2012 21:03:26 GMT -5
My surgeon specifically told me that DS patients frequently know much more about their surgery and lifestyle that accompanies it than doctors and nurses (surgeons included). I was never told to separate my eating and drinking. But I can tell you that after surgery my stomach was TINY (2 bites of food and I was very full and unable to take another bite)--perhaps from the swelling. It's still pretty small but I'm up to about 4 or 5 bites if I spread it out over a half hour to 45 minutes. So, even when I could only get one or two bites in, I found that drinking made the last bite go down smoother. For whatever reason, it's just easier for me to drink and eat at the same time. I don't find that the drink fills my stomach.
Good luck!
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Post by shann_ds on Jan 1, 2012 21:51:48 GMT -5
I started out drinking & eating. For some reason, it makes me sick. I guess because the liquid fills me up? I don't know, but if I try to drink I have to excuse myself to puke it up! So, I'm one of the few DSers who actually doesn't drink with meals. I've gotten used to just ordering water in a restaurant and not touching it.
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Post by happyface on Jan 1, 2012 22:30:46 GMT -5
All good advice
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