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Post by honeybadger11 on Jan 22, 2012 9:40:39 GMT -5
I know im still healing and that things will continue to get better but i wanted to ask some questions and get some advice.
Prior to surgery most days i pooed 2-3 times a day so going a lot is normal for me. The 1st month of the DS i went up to 9 times a day. At almost 10wks out its settled down to 4-6 times.
My question is, is there anything i could be doing to not poo so much?
The morning is my worst time i get up between 4-5am to go for about 30mins, i go again when i wake up at 7 then have to go more. I usually just call it at some point because i have to go to work. My belly is upset in the morning but usually settles down by 9ish.
This is what i eat:
7am 2 slices deli meat with iron 9am quiche OR 2 eggs with 2 sausage and cheese scramble OR broks pizza 11am shrimp salad (shrimp, mayo, cocktail sauce, peas, waterchestnuts and cheese) OR 12 shrimp cocktail and 8 cheese cubes. 2pm 7ish cheese cubes OR a babybel OR cashews 5pm Cheese burger patty with mayo, tomato and onion OR burger burrito on low carb tortilla OR homemade low carb crab cakes 8pm 7ish cheese cubes with a hand full of cashews and this week ive had a few cherries.
Sometimes i make a SF dessert like SF, flour free PB cookies and i will have 2 in the evening or this past week i make SF poke cake but didnt really care for it so i feed it to hubs:)
This week I started taking 2 tums before breakfast and that seems to help a lot. I also cut my magnesium this weekend to only 1 in the evening instead of 2 with my calcium. I follow the vitalady schedule.
Yesterday we had a sporting event 4hrs away from home so i took 2 tums in the AM and 2 more in the afternoon and a gasx at some point and 1 Imodium before we left the house at 8am. I made it through the day and didnt have to poo until we went to the after party at a restaurant at about 4pm. I rarely take Imodium and only if we are going to be away from the house for several hours. I still had to poo at the restaurant twice in the 3hrs we were there but i didnt go again until we got home at midnight.
I am a super social person and ive totaly gotten over any aversion i have of going in a public restroom but i would like to have a little more control.
Ive been thinking of trying chia seeds. Is it still to early for something like that?
I really appreciate any input you can give me!!! For me, even if this is what my DS will be like for life, i still love my DS and would do it all over again!
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Post by Girlrocker on Jan 22, 2012 10:03:06 GMT -5
The morning is my worst time i get up between 4-5am to go for about 30mins, i go again when i wake up at 7 then have to go more. I usually just call it at some point because i have to go to work. My belly is upset in the morning but usually settles down by 9ish. Omg, I was JUST going to post and ask the same thing, this above is particularly me. My upset stomach seems to last until about noon. I'm not going the amount you are, but I seem to have NO control over it, and have even had some accidents :-( Like this morning, found out what the oil slick was that others have referred to, but had no idea. I wasn't going to post about it yet because I'm 6 weeks out, a RNY revision, so I know there is a lot of healing to be done still. I have a history of a nervous stomach before I ever had surgery, which better diet helped. But I have to say I'm a bit rattled, still afraid to go out in public, thankful I don' to have to go back to work yet. But worrying, HOW will I workout in the morning, get to work? Also thinking this morning, I HAVE to get over this, get wipes, spray to take with me, start to get out of the house. I have no idea what foods, supplements, the combos might be upsetting me, it seems like everything. Thanks for posting, I don't want to crash yours, I'm looking forward to getting some feedback here.
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Post by honeybadger11 on Jan 22, 2012 10:16:48 GMT -5
The morning is my worst time i get up between 4-5am to go for about 30mins, i go again when i wake up at 7 then have to go more. I usually just call it at some point because i have to go to work. My belly is upset in the morning but usually settles down by 9ish. Omg, I was JUST going to post and ask the same thing, this above is particularly me. My upset stomach seems to last until about noon. I'm not going the amount you are, but I seem to have NO control over it, and have even had some accidents :-( Like this morning, found out what the oil slick was that others have referred to, but had no idea. I wasn't going to post about it yet because I'm 6 weeks out, a RNY revision, so I know there is a lot of healing to be done still. I have a history of a nervous stomach before I ever had surgery, which better diet helped. But I have to say I'm a bit rattled, still afraid to go out in public, thankful I don' to have to go back to work yet. But worrying, HOW will I workout in the morning, get to work? Also thinking this morning, I HAVE to get over this, get wipes, spray to take with me, start to get out of the house. I have no idea what foods, supplements, the combos might be upsetting me, it seems like everything. Thanks for posting, I don't want to crash yours, I'm looking forward to getting some feedback here. No worries about crashing! We are all in this together:) I hope some of the answers will help you too! I will say that while i was off from work i just went whenever and now that im back to work ive ony had to use my office bathroom twice in 3 weeks and if im not at home i do a sort of expedited poo, it only takes me like 5 minutes! haha
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Post by fullhousemom on Jan 22, 2012 10:26:41 GMT -5
This past week, on Thursday, i went to the bathroom eight times. I was miserable. But I had been out of town and didnt eat well. When I eat nothing but protein (and I dont do shakes) I am much better. If I eat red meat every day, my body loves me. I rarely eat anything with my protein...no veggies, no breads. Just the steak. Same with pork tenderloin and chicken. Obviously, my meals at this point arent real creative!
Lo carb foods usually translate to more fiber. I know we dont need fiber like a non DSer, but I wonder what effect fiber has on us now. I havent seen too many posts on it. It only makes sense to me that fiber could cause us more issues, even if we consume the same amount pre surgery. Then there are different fiber types that effect our bodies differently. I don't have the answers, but I can't see how it canNOT impact us....and probably in a bad way.
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Post by fullhousemom on Jan 22, 2012 10:33:24 GMT -5
Also, nuts have fiber too! I am three months out. I dreaded going to work in the first couple of months. If I had to meet someone at 6:30 am, I was praying that I wouldnt have an "outbreak" at that time in the morning. Its a lot better now and I really see how my eating has an impact on my bowels.
Really, if I eat steak every day, I will go to the bathroom once every other day, always in the morning. I grill a steak at night and eat half for dinner. The other half I have for breakfast or lunch, cold. It has worked wonderfully for me. Selfishly, the steak is only for me. I feef the other six in my family something else. More affordable that way!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2012 11:09:07 GMT -5
All you guys that are poopin too much:
First, check your calcium and make sure it is NOT a cal-mag. (the mag in that will be oxide and cause problems)
How much regular calcium citrate are you taking a day? If you can get 4 doses of at least 500mg elemental calcium, it should help.
Fiber, yes we need it and early out the only way I could get enough was Benefiber or the like. Fiber works both ways. If you are constipated it can help things move on through, If you are going too much it will slow it down.
You might be lactose intolerant. Do an elimination diet. You might be whey intolerant. That would suck, but it happens, again do an elimination diet.
It may just be that you are taking a while to heal, your insides were sliced and diced and we all heal at different rates of speed. In that case, the only cure will be time.
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Post by honeybadger11 on Jan 22, 2012 12:01:30 GMT -5
This past week, on Thursday, i went to the bathroom eight times. I was miserable. But I had been out of town and didnt eat well. When I eat nothing but protein (and I dont do shakes) I am much better. If I eat red meat every day, my body loves me. I rarely eat anything with my protein...no veggies, no breads. Just the steak. Same with pork tenderloin and chicken. Obviously, my meals at this point arent real creative! Lo carb foods usually translate to more fiber. I know we dont need fiber like a non DSer, but I wonder what effect fiber has on us now. I havent seen too many posts on it. It only makes sense to me that fiber could cause us more issues, even if we consume the same amount pre surgery. Then there are different fiber types that effect our bodies differently. I don't have the answers, but I can't see how it canNOT impact us....and probably in a bad way. I'd rather poo than eat nothing but meat! I need variety but my carbs are super low. Ive only had 2 low carb tortilla shells in the last 2 weeks and i actually think they helped me go less...didnt have as much bowel issues in the morning after i ate them. Might be the fiber thing you spoke of because they are super high in fiber to make them low carb:) Maybe adding some benefiber like shales said will help:) Thanks!
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Post by Girlrocker on Jan 22, 2012 12:04:55 GMT -5
All you guys that are poopin too much: First, check your calcium and make sure it is NOT a cal-mag. (the mag in that will be oxide and cause problems) How much regular calcium citrate are you taking a day? If you can get 4 doses of at least 500mg elemental calcium, it should help. Fiber, yes we need it and early out the only way I could get enough was Benefiber or the like. Fiber works both ways. If you are constipated it can help things move on through, If you are going too much it will slow it down. You might be lactose intolerant. Do an elimination diet. You might be whey intolerant. That would suck, but it happens, again do an elimination diet. It may just be that you are taking a while to heal, your insides were sliced and diced and we all heal at different rates of speed. In that case, the only cure will be time. Jennifer- thanks, right, why not a whole poop post, get everything in one bookmark :-) I should pick up some Tums for some relief. I don't know anything about chia seed you asked about, hopefully someone else will! We have a community bathroom at work, shared by an entire floor. And my workout time is always before work because my schedule is too full and crazy to go after work. You've inspired me to buck up a little more :-) Shales - thanks for the input. I'm not taking Cal-mag, but not sure if the chews I'm taking are citrate, I don't think they are, it's a Calcium-D chew, 600mg and I take it 4x a day. So I better switch to calcium citrate instead, not sure if that comes in a chew, but I'll look, I care more about maximum absorption, not having trouble swallowing pills. Food - elimination might be the solution. My only fiber right now is when I have a lo-carb tortilla. Unlike my RNY, I've never had to get in fiber to get things moving. Things started out ok, one BM a day, morning, small but solid; but these problems developed of course when I've started adding more food. I was afraid maybe the fiber was speeding things up too much so I cut back the little I was having, and eliminated my half-cup of coffee too. I think the dairy, and, higher fat might be the culprits, they caused me a lot of problems before I had any surgery, and I was semi-lactose intolerant with my RNY. So I'm going to switch back to lower fat dairy, which for me is mostly cottage cheese and cheese, use greek yogurt instead of sour cream; focus my fats elsewhere, like butter, olive oil, avocado, olives. Fullhouse mom - Ah, steak. Even after my RNY, I was contrary, always did better with it than chicken which always got stuck (which doesn't happen now, yay!) I just bought up some on sale, to see how I do.
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Post by honeybadger11 on Jan 22, 2012 12:09:22 GMT -5
All you guys that are poopin too much: First, check your calcium and make sure it is NOT a cal-mag. (the mag in that will be oxide and cause problems) How much regular calcium citrate are you taking a day? If you can get 4 doses of at least 500mg elemental calcium, it should help. Fiber, yes we need it and early out the only way I could get enough was Benefiber or the like. Fiber works both ways. If you are constipated it can help things move on through, If you are going too much it will slow it down. You might be lactose intolerant. Do an elimination diet. You might be whey intolerant. That would suck, but it happens, again do an elimination diet. It may just be that you are taking a while to heal, your insides were sliced and diced and we all heal at different rates of speed. In that case, the only cure will be time. My calcuim is just calcuim citrate 300mg, i take 2 three times a day for a total of 1800mg. I was taking magnesium citrate in the evening but like i said ive cut back to 1 and may cut it all together. I am lactose intolerant and had to do an elimination diet to find my soy lecithin allergy. I cut out all dairy including cheese for a week. When i found out it was soy lecithin i add cheese back and there was no change in my poos. I can have cheese, butter and chobani yogurt. Thanks shales for the info. When you added benefiber to your diet how much did you use for how long? Have you continued to take it daily or is it only and occassional thing?
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Post by dlappin413 on Jan 22, 2012 12:12:04 GMT -5
I am a week short of 3 months out and have my days of multi-pooping, too. I have found that I am both lactose and whey intolerant... eliminating both of those has helped greatly. I poo mostly in the morning but, there are days that I am awaken during the night 1, 2, 3 times to poo. Those are my bad days. I have not had a problem with constipation, either; not before or after surgery. I poo every day. Haven't had a day I didn't. On my good days, I poo 2-3 times.
I am concerned, too, about morning activities. I will be starting water aerobics in a week and I dread having to get out of the pool to poop. I don't think I'll have an accident as I haven't since 2 weeks after surgery. However, once I'm out of the pool, I'll stay out. Not the way to exercise.
I am still eating mostly protein and fat with a little veggies now and then. Yesterday's food was:
1 egg omlette with onions, red bell peppers, tomatoes, spinach, and cheese; 2 strips bacon w/2 cups decaf coffee/creamer/stevia 1/4 chicken salad 3 deli meat roll ups (ham & roast beef) with rondele and no sugar added gerkins 2 small handfuls of cashews 4 oz rib eye w/2 tblsp mixed veges 3 LOL colby jack snacks
I am getting in all my fluids, 64+oz, per day.
The results of yesterday's food was once waking up during the night, so far, 2 poops after 8 am. That is a good day for me.
So, I think it's possible that I'm not getting enough fiber. Benefiber may help. I'll try it. I also am taking calcium citrate 3 times a day vs 4 times a day. Since I'll be getting my labs done in a week, I'll wait on changing that until I get the results of my labs.
It does seem like time has a factor on two counts: the healing factor and my learning what and how my body handles different foods.
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Post by Girlrocker on Jan 22, 2012 12:20:31 GMT -5
I am concerned, too, about morning activities. I will be starting water aerobics in a week and I dread having to get out of the pool to poop. I don't think I'll have an accident as I haven't since 2 weeks after surgery. However, once I'm out of the pool, I'll stay out. Not the way to exercise. Right?! My 'accident' this morning freaked me out a bit, it was just, well, soooo gross. It does seem like time has a factor on two counts: the healing factor and my learning what and how my body handles different foods. Ya, true dat. Really had no idea how the DS wiring would affect me here, so I have to remember I'm starting from scratch again. All a balancing act. Thanks to all, this has been soooo helpful. I HAVE to start getting out of the house, as in doing things, I'm healed up enough for occasional outings beyond errands. Gonna brave it and go to an art show today.
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Post by honeybadger11 on Jan 22, 2012 12:23:22 GMT -5
All you guys that are poopin too much: Jennifer- thanks, right, why not a whole poop post, get everything in one bookmark :-) I should pick up some Tums for some relief. I don't know anything about chia seed you asked about, hopefully someone else will! We have a community bathroom at work, shared by an entire floor. And my workout time is always before work because my schedule is too full and crazy to go after work. You've inspired me to buck up a little more :-) Im the master of the ninja poop. You can do it too! Get a ziploc bag or travel size bag of wipes, cream (if you need it) and a mini can of lysol or the like (i got mine at the register area in wlagreens) I sit spray my lysol, flush, start going, flush again, lysol. Clean up then flush again. The BR is inside my office at work and ive experimented by shuting the door and going back in a few minutes later and all is fine:) I was always the girl that would almost pee her pants trying to get home instead of peeing in public. I'd NEVER pooed in a public BR prior to the DS. Now i dont give a shit, literally!!! HAHA Ive gone in restaurants, grocery stores, bars. I even told hubs if they only had a port a potty i would christen that thing with the DS!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2012 12:33:14 GMT -5
There are a few people that swear by chia seeds, I just have never used them.
I have the opposite problem than you guys but early out, holy cow!
To this day, I get up earlier to get my bathroom stuff out of the way before I leave.
Good luck!
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Post by Girlrocker on Jan 22, 2012 12:34:05 GMT -5
Im the master of the ninja poop. You can do it too! Get a ziploc bag or travel size bag of wipes, cream (if you need it) and a mini can of lysol or the like (i got mine at the register area in walgreens) Ninja poop needs its own icon :-) The pooping issue has been somewhat a bain of my existence during my RNY, but has definitely reached olympian levels now, a match or a little perfume is not going to get me through this. I will get my tool kit together, and keep working at this.
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Post by Girlrocker on Jan 22, 2012 12:35:23 GMT -5
There are a few people that swear by chia seeds, I just have never used them. I have the opposite problem than you guys but early out, holy cow! To this day, I get up earlier to get my bathroom stuff out of the way before I leave. Good luck! I'll have to look up chia seeds, no nuttin about them. Getting up earlier - yanno, that thought crossed my mind as well :-) thanks again for the info, I feel so much better now.
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Post by hoosiermama on Jan 22, 2012 13:05:42 GMT -5
I'm a bit over 2 months out.
Yesterday I had 5 strips of bacon ham and cheese rollups 2 eggs fried with onions colby jack cheese x2 ham and pineapple cream cheese rollup griller covered with cheese
lots of walmart sugar free tropical punch drink mix about 80 oz a couple cups of coffee half and half/splenda
I poop on average of 2-3 times a day. Formed yet fluffy. Something that confuses me to this day is that I poop more (the mass of the poop) than I did pre-DS yet I eat much much less. Is it fat leaving?
Oh, and unless I go really crazy over fats or really hit a pepperoni craze, no oil slicks any longer.
I take 600 mg calcium citrate 3x a day and 300 mg mag ox 3x a day. Without the mag ox, I bloat and don't poop at all.
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Post by Gail R on Jan 22, 2012 13:15:30 GMT -5
There are a few vets that swear by chia seeds. One just swallows a spoonful with water. Give them a try. My first thought was that you should reduce your fat intake for a few weeks. Our bodies seem to have the ability to adapt and cope with changes. For me, the DS is an evolving adventure. Right now, at over two years out, I am feeling completely "normal". (whatever that means) The first three months were far and away the most trying and then things seemed to sort themselves out pretty much.
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Post by Girlrocker on Jan 22, 2012 13:20:37 GMT -5
Thanks for posting your stats. I kept seeing reference to oil slicks and had NO IDEA what people were talking about...until this morning. Clearly, I'm more squeamish :-) I will buck up, but I do hope as I get further out, healed up this wanes. I think the contributor to this mornings poop debacle might have been the store-bought wings I had last night, the breading/deep frying. Best I stick to wings with no breading, because I did fine when I had those and I when I baked my own bbq turkey wings.
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Post by Gail R on Jan 22, 2012 14:25:21 GMT -5
I've never had an oil slick but have had plenty of quick trips to the WC when my diet gets f'd up. Fried breading is the worst if you're trying to slow down motility. I'm sure your system will adjust as you heal, along with your tweaks to diet, and it gets easier.
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Post by Girlrocker on Jan 22, 2012 15:13:34 GMT -5
I've never had an oil slick but have had plenty of quick trips to the WC when my diet gets f'd up. Fried breading is the worst if you're trying to slow down motility. I'm sure your system will adjust as you heal, along with your tweaks to diet, and it gets easier. Thanks Gail I kept seeing people post about chicken nuggets, so I thought, ok, quick and easy. I'm definitely not going to be a DSer who can go to town on bacon, cheese, mayo etc :-) So implementing these tweaks today and see how it goes.
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Post by honeybadger11 on Jan 22, 2012 15:52:23 GMT -5
There are a few vets that swear by chia seeds. One just swallows a spoonful with water. Give them a try. My first thought was that you should reduce your fat intake for a few weeks. Our bodies seem to have the ability to adapt and cope with changes. For me, the DS is an evolving adventure. Right now, at over two years out, I am feeling completely "normal". (whatever that means) The first three months were far and away the most trying and then things seemed to sort themselves out pretty much. Thanks Gail. I have thought of reducing my fat intake also:) I probably shouldnt complain about my poops until ive tried everything and ive been real stubborn about cutting the fat. Its just so delicious and i already have so many other restriction due to my lactose and soy lecithin intolerances. I think i will try the chia seeds or fiber first THEN if no help i will cut the fat:) Mentalyl im giving myself 6months (or more if i need it) so i wont be to crazy about the BR issues for a few more months yet. I just wanted to check in with the vets:) Thanks again! Your advice is always appreciated:)
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Post by honeybadger11 on Jan 22, 2012 15:55:36 GMT -5
Thanks for posting your stats. I kept seeing reference to oil slicks and had NO IDEA what people were talking about...until this morning. Clearly, I'm more squeamish :-) I will buck up, but I do hope as I get further out, healed up this wanes. I think the contributor to this mornings poop debacle might have been the store-bought wings I had last night, the breading/deep frying. Best I stick to wings with no breading, because I did fine when I had those and I when I baked my own bbq turkey wings. Ive had the oil slicks a handful of times. Didnt have any no matter what i ate the first month out. If i eat a lot of cheese is when they seem to happen. Being away from home yesterday i ate a ton of cheese and cashews and had them this morning. For me, i think its kinda cool to see the DS at work:)
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Post by bb212 on Jan 22, 2012 18:34:42 GMT -5
Hang in there! It takes a few months for everything to normalize, I had a lot of oil slicks in the beginning since I ate a lot of cheese and dairy (my stomach wasn't able to eat much meat protein for a few months). My intestines were perpetually confused, but by month 4-5 it got MUCH better and now I average 2 poops a day (once when I wake up, and then round 2 usually happens at 6pm). Recovery is a pain in the ass, also because of the poops! But we all get through it eventually.
Orange oil spray was my best friend when using shared toilets- I'd spritz the air, then spritz the inside of the toilet before doing my business, and then another few spritzes after. Lots of courteousy flushes too. And the flushable cottonelle wipes were a life saver for clean up without chafing. In case you do chafe, desetin (unscented) works miracles- but only put it on at night. By morning your poor over-worked pooper will feel much better.
So hang in there! I know it may sound odd since we're on the subject of poop, but "this, too, shall pass!" and "there's a light at the end of the tunnel"
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Post by California Poppy on Jan 22, 2012 21:05:39 GMT -5
I don't have anything to contribute to the main point of this thread (I have the opposite problem), but I just had to exalt bb212 for: "this, too, shall pass!" and "there's a light at the end of the tunnel"!
(Yep, I have a terrible weakness for puns!)
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Post by dlappin413 on Jan 22, 2012 21:09:22 GMT -5
I don't have anything to contribute to the main point of this thread (I have the opposite problem), but I just had to exalt bb212 for: "this, too, shall pass!" and "there's a light at the end of the tunnel"! (Yep, I have a terrible weakness for puns!) I personally like the phrase: "go on an elimination diet."
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Post by Girlrocker on Jan 22, 2012 21:21:05 GMT -5
I don't have anything to contribute to the main point of this thread (I have the opposite problem), but I just had to exalt bb212 for: "this, too, shall pass!" and "there's a light at the end of the tunnel"! (Yep, I have a terrible weakness for puns!) I personally like the phrase: "go on an elimination diet." I am now guffawing out loud, knee slapping and all :-) This goes down in the annals of as one of my all time favorite posts, the ultimate keeper :-) I kept saying to myself, it's early recovery, Sharyl, you know how tough the first few months are, it's not your first time at the rodeo, and that's what you'd post to someone else. However, it's all new again, I'm tired, a little worn down, never felt defeated or regretful, just anxious and omg-like. I don't know that I'll um, 'embrace' the oil slicks, but I love the perspective of the DS at work :-) And I'm DEELIGHTED to report a much better day already! I was determined to get OUT finally, and went to a great art expo show in downtown LA and was hoping for the best. I was careful, switched to calcium citrate. Meal 1 - small piece lo-carb tortilla with ham (for iron, mutli) Meal 2 - protein shake Meal 3 - rest of tortilla for full stove-top pizza with ham and part-skim mozarella, sauteed ini olive oil Meal 4 - protein shake Meal 5 - braised ribeye with feta - skipping the dollop of spinach for now, been too good a day The real test will be in the morning. I stink at puns, hardy har! But fingers crossed for my Monday morning :-)
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Post by dlappin413 on Jan 22, 2012 21:36:23 GMT -5
Girlrocker... you did pretty good with your puns; takes practice. I worked with several men at one of my jobs that had daily contests to see who could beat out whom on the most outrageous puns. It grew on me. Glad you had a better day and I hope your morning is just as good.
This is one of my fav threads, too.
Well... time to "run"... he he he
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Post by supershae on Jan 22, 2012 22:59:27 GMT -5
I'm a home health aid and I take care of a boy with Autism. Well, his mother has to be at work at 4AM because she works in a factory, so I have to be at his house by 3:30AM every morning. I am constantly worried about having a bad "episode" while I'm there, so I find myself rarely eating! I have the same problem with going several times a day!
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Post by Girlrocker on Jan 23, 2012 1:43:00 GMT -5
Girlrocker... you did pretty good with your puns; takes practice. I worked with several men at one of my jobs that had daily contests to see who could beat out whom on the most outrageous puns. It grew on me. Glad you had a better day and I hope your morning is just as good. This is one of my fav threads, too. Well... time to "run"... he he he It's the gift that keeps on giving
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Post by honeybadger11 on Jan 23, 2012 22:37:21 GMT -5
Hang in there! It takes a few months for everything to normalize, I had a lot of oil slicks in the beginning since I ate a lot of cheese and dairy (my stomach wasn't able to eat much meat protein for a few months). My intestines were perpetually confused, but by month 4-5 it got MUCH better and now I average 2 poops a day (once when I wake up, and then round 2 usually happens at 6pm). Recovery is a pain in the ass, also because of the poops! But we all get through it eventually. Orange oil spray was my best friend when using shared toilets- I'd spritz the air, then spritz the inside of the toilet before doing my business, and then another few spritzes after. Lots of courteousy flushes too. And the flushable cottonelle wipes were a life saver for clean up without chafing. In case you do chafe, desetin (unscented) works miracles- but only put it on at night. By morning your poor over-worked pooper will feel much better. So hang in there! I know it may sound odd since we're on the subject of poop, but "this, too, shall pass!" and "there's a light at the end of the tunnel" Thanks bb212. Even tho i know it does get better, its always good to hear it again:) I use butt paste or if i have a little flare up it use tucks cream and ive learn it pat clean with wet wipes instead of wiping...thats an important lesson for sure! Yes and tons of courtesy flushes! haha Time for me to get back to my doodies:)
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