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Post by long2blittle on May 23, 2012 15:37:36 GMT -5
Craving something salty and crunchy. How bad are Tortilla chips for us DS'ers? They are corn and not flour, so I was thinking a few wouldn't hurt? What is the consensus?
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Post by RedSkittles on May 23, 2012 15:39:37 GMT -5
1 month out might be dangerous. Had you tried cheese crisps yet? It's shredded cheese on a wax-lined paper plate (like dixie) that is microwaved until ever so slightly brown then cooled (about 45 seconds, depending on how much cheese). Cheese is naturally salty and they do turn out crunchy.
Tortilla chips were not good for me the first year or two.
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Post by long2blittle on May 23, 2012 15:48:53 GMT -5
This is probably a dumb question, but why would it be dangerous to eat tortilla chips? As long as you chew them up good? Just curious - sorry if I sound dumb!
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Post by Paula on May 23, 2012 16:16:55 GMT -5
There are a number of reasons Id advise against it too. I dont think you sound dumb by the way. The only dumb question is the one that goes unasked.
(1) Tortilla chips are harsh on stomachs anyway. Even if they are ground up to nothing by our chewing. You've got a surgically Ginsu-ed sleeve that is still actively healing and is only about a month old.
(2) Even if its corn, its still carbs. Carbs are supposed to be limited during this window of opportunity you have as far as weight loss goes. Carbs slow and can sabotage weight loss. Plus you are taking up valuable sleeve real estate with crap you dont need right now. You need protein. Not carbs.
We have to learn to do things a whole new way now. Eat a whole new way now. I speak from personal experience on this...once you start letting carbs creep into your diet, they take on a life of their own. You feed the beast a dose of what it likes, its going to demand more. See, Im the type of person who likes carbs...a lot. Maybe even loves them. So for me, letting in a little bit is starting down a slippery slope. Its your body and its your life, but you did get this surgery for a reason, right?
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Post by pandykorn on May 23, 2012 17:35:38 GMT -5
corn tortilla chips really lack any nutritional value for you. Salty, crunchy snack- peanuts would be a better choice, or any type of nuts , or the cheese crips of course. I make giant cheese crisps on a cast iron skillet- i prefer it to the microwave type b/c i think it is crunchier for some reason. I just fry shredded cheese on the skillet on both sides then let it air dry and eat it with some guacamole or sour cream or salsa- point being- they make a great alternative to chips and they offer you almost 0 carbs and about 7 grams of protein per oz depending on the cheese used.
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Post by ginany on May 23, 2012 17:45:01 GMT -5
Ok not to sound dumb. What do you do, take shredded cheese and cook it? Any kind of cheese?
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Post by pandykorn on May 23, 2012 18:09:05 GMT -5
yes you just cook it, you can microwave it too, just watch it. i have used swiss, gruyere, cheddar, jack. MOzzarella doesnt work well for me and kraft singles or the type do not work.
here is a video to help understand the process
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Post by ginany on May 23, 2012 18:34:05 GMT -5
OK, I get it, they look good. Im thinking I am not tolerating mozzarella cheese well. Thanks for sharing
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Post by Gail R on May 23, 2012 18:50:35 GMT -5
For cheese crisps, put down a thin lacey coating of shredded cheese over the paper plate. Too think and it won't be crispy. They're addictive but good for you.
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Post by Girlrocker on May 23, 2012 19:46:28 GMT -5
Not a dumb question at all and totally understand the craving for something salty/crunchy, I did too early out, I was a bit nauseous and had the weird metal taste in my mouth. You're correct in that corn is a better option than flour ('closer to the ground' Dr. K always says when in doubt). But an ever better good carb alternative would be the soy-flaxseed chips from Trader Joes if you have them near you. If not, Rye Krisp, Wasa, Kavali crackers can be usually be found in a good grocery store, or you can can get whole grain/brown rice based crackers from health food stores.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2012 20:37:09 GMT -5
Um, Sharyl, not to turn farmer on you, but.....corn isn't closer to the ground than wheat  . Smartness of tortilla chips a month postop? Um, fairly far down the list. Carbs are carbs, for starters. You don't want to start giving in to that craving before you even get out the gate, plus you might really regret putting a gas-causer in your gut. The cheese crisps are a possibility, or maybe a bit of crisp bacon, or if you think you can stand the spice, microwave a few thin slices of pepperoni till crisp. If you decide you are going to go completely insane without something salty-crunchy and it MUST be a carb, I'd suggest nibbling on a crunch pretzel or two. Or if the craving is for a tortilla chip and you're losing your mind over the craving, well, okay, try ONE. Then wait and see what happens. But the best thing you can do for yourself right now is stick very, very firmly to your food progression and diet protocol. There will be room for other stuff down the road. Right now every millimeter of stomach space needs to be used for NUTRITION, and chips of any kind ain't it. That kind of thing needs to be used only as absolutely needed to get the vital nutrition down your gut. For example, I needed to get more fat in me in a hurry because I was badly constipated. So I loaded a saltine with all the butter I thought I could stand, a layer thicker than the cracker, edge to edge, and ate that. (Ate a couple of them, actually.) Try to think of the carby stuff in that light, especially so early out. You will discover down the road how strict or lenient you can be with it in general. |
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Post by mandyb on May 23, 2012 22:48:13 GMT -5
Guilty.
I ate two tortilla chips loaded with cheese and sour cream really early out (I ate one and then waited a half hour and ate another one). I chewed them to puree and they sat in my tummy just fine.
So far, I've found that if I really, really, really want to have some thing - I just have one small taste and then I feel so much better. Sometimes the thing doesn't even taste good so I just spit it out - but at least I don't have it bothering me any more.
I love that one little bite really makes me feel satisfied now.
I'm sure I'm playing devil's advocate...sorry.
I must say that I really love making cheese crisps too. Also, I've been making deep fried Queso Panela...It's my favorite! It's like mozzarella cheese sticks with out the breading - but it tastes SO much better!
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Post by RedSkittles on May 23, 2012 23:53:05 GMT -5
This is probably a dumb question, but why would it be dangerous to eat tortilla chips? As long as you chew them up good? Just curious - sorry if I sound dumb! Ha- I just reread and realized this could be interpreted literally. I just meant "yucky for your guts" not actually, legitimately dangerous!  Sorry! |
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Post by Girlrocker on May 24, 2012 9:06:00 GMT -5
Um, Sharyl, not to turn farmer on you, but.....corn isn't closer to the ground than wheat . Smartness of tortilla chips a month postop? Um, fairly far down the list. Carbs are carbs, for starters. You don't want to start giving in to that craving before you even get out the gate, plus you might really regret putting a gas-causer in your gut. The cheese crisps are a possibility, or maybe a bit of crisp bacon, or if you think you can stand the spice, microwave a few thin slices of pepperoni till crisp. If you decide you are going to go completely insane without something salty-crunchy and it MUST be a carb, I'd suggest nibbling on a crunch pretzel or two. Or if the craving is for a tortilla chip and you're losing your mind over the craving, well, okay, try ONE. Then wait and see what happens. But the best thing you can do for yourself right now is stick very, very firmly to your food progression and diet protocol. There will be room for other stuff down the road. Right now every millimeter of stomach space needs to be used for NUTRITION, and chips of any kind ain't it. That kind of thing needs to be used only as absolutely needed to get the vital nutrition down your gut. For example, I needed to get more fat in me in a hurry because I was badly constipated. So I loaded a saltine with all the butter I thought I could stand, a layer thicker than the cracker, edge to edge, and ate that. (Ate a couple of them, actually.) Try to think of the carby stuff in that light, especially so early out. You will discover down the road how strict or lenient you can be with it in general. Ha! Now there's an image, Elizabeth, I had a sudden vision of that famous painting Yes, true, flour starts out as a grain; however, what renders it not only less effective but downright bad for us - or anyone for that matter - is the process to make it 'white flour'. Which means it is stripped bare of most of the nutrient-rich components, which are the slow-metabolizing elements. What's left makes a direct beeline for intestine absorption. Same applies with white rice. Corn is a starchy carb, but does not process this way. So when in doubt when faced in social/public situations, it's the better option. For home, there are lots of flour-less, brown rice based whole grain cracker products on the market now, some I listed above. And for me, those soy-flaxseed chips were my BFF - they are high in protien and fiber, and those I happily spread with peanutbutter, melted cheese for a snack, I think a month or so out I needed all of 3-4 tops. Basically, long2blittle, right now you want to stick with hydrating and protein, avoid foods - like non-useful starchy/sugar carbs- there are a lot of substitutes, alternatives. But again, totally get the taste craving at a month out for salt/crunch, and any of the above should do the trick, or even temporarily(!!) some plain saltines. |
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Post by galla1 on May 24, 2012 9:52:17 GMT -5
Cheese crisps are yummy, so is crispy pepperoni dipped in sour cream ranch dip!!. I also make cheese tortillas with Swiss and stuff it with scrambled eggs or shredded chicken and top with sour cream.. Yummy and I feel like I'm getting that tortilla! I sometimes make a tortilla out of coconut flour and egg. It's pretty good if you ever need the fulfillment of a tortilla.. However I did not make the coconut flour tortillas until later out.
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