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Post by abright0 on Jan 9, 2012 19:53:44 GMT -5
Went with my honey today for her preop appointments. While in the waiting room, there was a lady who engaged us in conversation and asked what surgery we had/are having. We said the DS and she stated she had wanted that surgery but that the doctor had talked her out of it and she was getting the RNY. I told her why we chose the DS and encouraged her to talk with the doctor about it again. At this point, the psychologist came out took the woman back and told her that she should not be discussing such things with us. I was just flabbergasted, shocked, and appalled. I suppose I shouldn't be, but dang!
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Post by sunday77 on Jan 9, 2012 20:05:35 GMT -5
Ridiculous!
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Post by annaleigh on Jan 9, 2012 21:01:32 GMT -5
That is lame. However, you may have planted a DS seed in that woman's mind.
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Post by renegadeorange on Jan 9, 2012 21:06:46 GMT -5
Which surgeon did she choose? Only Sudan does the DS. Even the resident that I talked to before Sudan got in the room tried to talk me into an RNY. I argued him on all of his points, and when Sudan got in there, he backed up everything I said. They are NOT pro-DS there. None of the classes discuss DS, and I haven't had to go to any of the psychologists there, but they don't know ish about the DS either. Hopefully this lady will do some research.
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Post by sherbearmama on Jan 9, 2012 21:21:59 GMT -5
That's just ridiculous. I wasn't supposed to talk about my DS with the patients in my pre surgery classes either--but I did talk about it to a few who really wanted to know more. But really, the psych needs to mind her own business. Good for you for paying it forward!!!
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Post by abright0 on Jan 9, 2012 21:23:54 GMT -5
Which surgeon did she choose? Only Sudan does the DS. Even the resident that I talked to before Sudan got in the room tried to talk me into an RNY. I argued him on all of his points, and when Sudan got in there, he backed up everything I said. They are NOT pro-DS there. None of the classes discuss DS, and I haven't had to go to any of the psychologists there, but they don't know ish about the DS either. Hopefully this lady will do some research. She said Sudan told her she was not a good candidate because of she is a light weight. However, her husband has a band that has totally failed him, which is why she was interested in the DS. Which Resident tried to talk you out of the DS? |
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Post by renegadeorange on Jan 9, 2012 21:38:40 GMT -5
That is very strange. Maybe he knows something about her medical history that she didn't disclose. He's done the DS on light weights before. It was Dr. Lee that tried to talk me out of it.
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Post by beth28 on Jan 9, 2012 22:52:00 GMT -5
If that's the case then I'm glad I didn't choose him! I too, was considered a lightweight @ 238#, 5'2". I'm glad I went with the DS, and I wasn't going to let anyone talk me out of it.
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Post by abright0 on Jan 10, 2012 5:39:34 GMT -5
That is very strange. Maybe he knows something about her medical history that she didn't disclose. He's done the DS on light weights before. It was Dr. Lee that tried to talk me out of it. I trend to agree that he may have a reason for her to not get the DS but that doesn't mean she shouldn't discuss it with him, noir is it really the psychologists call. And I think the thing that truly annoyed me was the way she pulled her out in front of everyone. The poor woman was embarrassed. |
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Post by hdkutz on Jan 10, 2012 5:46:57 GMT -5
That is very strange. Maybe he knows something about her medical history that she didn't disclose. He's done the DS on light weights before. It was Dr. Lee that tried to talk me out of it. I trend to agree that he may have a reason for her to not get the DS but that doesn't mean she shouldn't discuss it with him, noir is it really the psychologists call. And I think the thing that truly annoyed me was the way she pulled her out in front of everyone. The poor woman was embarrassed. There could have been a variety of reason but my guess is the vulnerability factor. At that persons stage of the game emotions and fear are running high and the interjection by a nonprofessional is a bad thing. Then too there are the things mentioned before like other conditions and medical history. Trusting in the group you choose is important and somebody undermining that is terrible. |
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Post by renegadeorange on Jan 10, 2012 6:27:05 GMT -5
I guess my experience with Dr. Sudan has been super positive, and I don't see him not being open to all options for patients. Now, I know that he doesn't do RNY to DS revisions, for example, but even if she had any other surgery, I can't think of why DS wouldn't be given as an option. He's told people that are 240 lbs that he'd do lapband revision on them. Sooooo, I think there's something else going on.
In regards to the psychs there, I hear one in particular sucks. I can't recall her name. But, since I didn't have to deal with them, I didn't have an issue. I had my mind made up before I ever walked in there regarding which surgery I wanted. I wasn't about to be talked out of it. Hopefully this lady will stand up for herself and not accept any surgery that she doesn't want. If she can't do that, then perhaps this surgery isn't for her, unfortunately. Thanks for trying to pay it forward however!
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Post by abright0 on Jan 10, 2012 9:55:22 GMT -5
I guess my experience with Dr. Sudan has been super positive, and I don't see him not being open to all options for patients. Now, I know that he doesn't do RNY to DS revisions, for example, but even if she had any other surgery, I can't think of why DS wouldn't be given as an option. He's told people that are 240 lbs that he'd do lapband revision on them. Sooooo, I think there's something else going on. In regards to the psychs there, I hear one in particular sucks. I can't recall her name. But, since I didn't have to deal with them, I didn't have an issue. I had my mind made up before I ever walked in there regarding which surgery I wanted. I wasn't about to be talked out of it. Hopefully this lady will stand up for herself and not accept any surgery that she doesn't want. If she can't do that, then perhaps this surgery isn't for her, unfortunately. Thanks for trying to pay it forward however! It was the sucky one. The other one is awesome. And I an with you, I have had nothing but a positive experience with Sudan. I love him and Sheila. |
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Post by larra on Jan 10, 2012 12:29:51 GMT -5
Well, I think you were right to be shocked and appalled. The conduct of that psych was totally inappropriate, esp out in the waiting room with other people present. And while they psych eval is important, the decision as to what operation to have is NOT in the pervue of the psych, that's between the surgeon and the patient. If there are medical reasons not to recommend the DS, so be it - but the psych isn't qualified to make that determination.
If there is so way for you to report this to Dr. Sudan, and you feel comfortable doing so, do it.
Larra
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2012 22:49:33 GMT -5
I think the pysch has things confused. She is not supposed to discuss the patient with others. The patient can talk to whomever she please and about whatever she please.
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Post by bldeck on Jan 10, 2012 22:55:18 GMT -5
I am very open about my choice and decision. When I was in my pre-op class I started telling others and eventually ended up taking over the class because people wanted to know more about the DS.
Betty
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Post by califsleevin on Jan 11, 2012 11:49:53 GMT -5
That is very strange. Maybe he knows something about her medical history that she didn't disclose. He's done the DS on light weights before. It was Dr. Lee that tried to talk me out of it. If there is something in her history or current condition that would contraindicate the DS, they should certainly discuss that with her and explain the reasons - that is part of the doctor's job. That's no excuse to censor their waiting room (or support groups,) since patients can freely get that information from many sources. A competent doctor should be able to explain his recommendations and justify his advice. Many people get sold initially on WLS by all of the band advertising, and then find something better (and unfortunately, many look no farther and then have to get revised...) |
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Post by renegadeorange on Jan 11, 2012 19:31:10 GMT -5
I hear you, califsleevin, but the surgeon in question is very competent. So, I'm not sure what the back story is. The one that stuck their nose in the wrong place was the psychologist, not the surgeon. So, I'm not sure what the psych's deal is. She's one that none of the patients like. Hopefully she'll get booted out of there before long. Besides, it's the patient's surgery. She can discuss it with anyone she wants to. Just bizarre overall.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2012 15:10:45 GMT -5
You also have to consider medical/health liability issues. It's probably safest if the patient doesn't talk to others in their lobby simply because they could (however wrong/illogical) take it as medical advise and it isn't. People sue over dumb things and it's in the best interest of the practice to limit potential issues.
I don't necessarily AGREE with it but can also see from their standpoint why they may be reticent to let people openly discuss surgical choices like that.
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Post by Band to DS on Jan 15, 2012 13:09:44 GMT -5
I think the pysch has things confused. She is not supposed to discuss the patient with others. The patient can talk to whomever she please and about whatever she please. Exactly! You have every right to discuss your surgery plans with whoever you please. What nonsense! I had the "pleasure" of getting assigned to this lady for my psych eval. I was not impressed. I was also told by a Duke resident that I might not be able to have a DS because the band gave me swallowing problems. I called him out on this in front of Dr. Sudan. You should've seen him try to backpedal when Dr. Sudan said that was incorrect. Dr. Sudan is a great surgeon & Sheila is a great nurse, but the rest of the clinic is a mess. Shelli |
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Post by abright0 on Jan 15, 2012 15:37:23 GMT -5
I think the pysch has things confused. She is not supposed to discuss the patient with others. The patient can talk to whomever she please and about whatever she please. Exactly! You have every right to discuss your surgery plans with whoever you please. What nonsense! I had the "pleasure" of getting assigned to this lady for my psych eval. I was not impressed. I was also told by a Duke resident that I might not be able to have a DS because the band gave me swallowing problems. I called him out on this in front of Dr. Sudan. You should've seen him try to backpedal when Dr. Sudan said that was incorrect. Dr. Sudan is a great surgeon & Sheila is a great nurse, but the rest of the clinic is a mess. Shelli Sometimes the residents are just ridiculous. I think they have drank the kool-aid and are also anti DS. Applegate is just terrible. She did my preop group and wouldn't let me say anything about my DS then. Friedman, on the other hand, is awesome. |
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