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Post by nursemelanie on Jul 5, 2014 19:35:28 GMT -5
*TMI WARNING* Okay as much as I read and researched preop you would think I wouldn't feel confused right now, but I am. I just want to make sure I am doing what I should. I'm going to blame this on anesthesia. Per my drs orders, I have been taking in water, diluted apple juice, low cal g2, lactose free skim milk, sf jello, sf popsicles, low sodium chicken broth and a tad of sf choc pudding mixed with mostly lactose free skim milk. Tried protein broth, protein hot choc, and protein shakes in hospital and they did not sit well. Everything I have drank is Dr approved except the tad of sf pudding. I started passing gas Thursday early morning but the diarrhea didn't start till around 5pm Friday. It is now water (consistency) diarrhea and plentiful. I took two Imodium at 6:30pm. Should I eliminate any of the items in my 2nd paragraph? They said I NEED 30 grams of carbs daily, or I would have skipped anything not sf. My instinct keeps telling me diarrhea=you ingested something that doesn't agree with you.....even though I know I am now switched. So I redundantly ask is this just a normal part of early post op?? If so, you'd think they have mentioned it and had Imodium on my list of needed purchases for phase 1 post op. Of course I will call their office on Monday but if I'm doing something wrong, I'd prefer to know now so I can correct it. Thanks for reading. VSG to DS 7-01-14/ Dr Boyce, Knoxville, TN /Age 40/5'8"/HW 287/CW 270
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Post by cherylbaker on Jul 5, 2014 20:31:24 GMT -5
Hmm never heard anyone ever say you need a minimum amount if carbs. . The only thing that strikes me is the apple juice and g2. I dunno what g2 is.. You said lo Cal but fies it have sugar? I know you said the apple juice is diluted but still it might have too much sugar I dunno. One thing i learned from my rny is if you have a problem start at the beginning. But you are at the beginning so the only thing is the apple juice and g2. Yiu coukd try nit drinking thise.. Hopefully someone who had already been switched has a better answer.
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Post by nursemelanie on Jul 5, 2014 20:39:34 GMT -5
I also just read the gallbladder removal early postop can cause diarrhea.
**In the hospital they didn't crush any pills so I have just taken as is or broken a larger pill in half. And on my probiotics and dexilant capsules I have just swallowed whole also.
VSG to DS w/gallbladder removal & repair of hiatal hernia 7-01-14/ Dr Boyce, Knoxville, TN /Age 40/5'8"/HW 287/SW 270
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Post by Mickens on Jul 5, 2014 21:29:11 GMT -5
By no means am I a vet. I'm only 5 months post op and I had the same thing. Just from what I've read from various boards and from vets is that if you are only taking in liquids it will be liquids out and from what I recall them saying that it is very normal early post op to have frequent diarrhea. Again still just a newbie myself So I could be wrong.
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Post by PeteA on Jul 5, 2014 21:30:04 GMT -5
I would cut back the lactose free milk for now and see where that takes you. I had Dh the first couple of days home no matter what. Sometimes it is best just to stick to basic liquids and nothing thick for a day or two.
Keep pushing the liquids so the Dh doesn't leave you dehydrated.
I hope you feel better soon.
Pete
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Post by missdee1 on Jul 5, 2014 22:15:40 GMT -5
Same thing happened to me. I agree, cut out the milk. Just know it will pass! Imodium worked great for me. Hang in there!! It gets soooo much better!
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Post by nursemelanie on Jul 5, 2014 23:25:34 GMT -5
Thank you all for the encouragement . If anybody ever tells me I "took the easy way out" or I didn't have to work hard for my weightloss, I WILL go postal. This is sooooo hard. I guess I'm also at that crazed, I haven't had any real nourishment in what feels like forever point.
Definitely agree about cutting out the dairy....I went all day without it.
VSG to DS w/gallbladder removal & repair of hiatal hernia 7-01-14/ Dr Boyce, Knoxville, TN /Age 40/5'8"/HW 287/SW 270
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Post by Taterweight on Jul 6, 2014 0:09:21 GMT -5
I was all liquid until I started eating solids. It wasn't an urgent diarrhea...just liquid. I used Imodium when I absolutely needed to (very sparingly, but it was helpful). I also just more or less "got through" until I could add in tuna and mayo, or bland chicken salad into my diet. I agree with your conclusion - it's the darn gallbladder removal that is the fickle part of healing. Greek yogurt and cheese sticks were not my friends...sugar alcohols were not friendly either, so watch out for those, too. I lived on syntrax fuzzy navel, g2, and decaf iced tea. Hang in there! It gets better, honest!
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Post by nursemelanie on Jul 6, 2014 1:00:44 GMT -5
Thank you taterweight. I am really trying to refill on the fluids I lost from the "D"...4lbs just today. The two Imodium have halted it for now. I'm hanging in there. VSG to DS w/gallbladder removal & repair of hiatal hernia 7-01-14/ Dr Boyce, Knoxville, TN /Age 40/5'8"/HW 287/SW 270
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Post by historytracker on Jul 6, 2014 4:23:24 GMT -5
I am having the diarrhea as well, but I remember my surgeon telling me about the loose stools. I see Greenbaum on June 11th and would be something that I would just ask him as I thought this was OK for the start of DS.
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Post by jpcello on Jul 6, 2014 5:38:07 GMT -5
Liquid in = liquid out. Eliminating the dairy is smart. You are a brand new baby DSer and right now the key is staying hydrated so remember that what goes out must also be replaced. You have been hit by the preverbial mack truck and your insides put through the wringer.
Slow and steady.
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Post by west4thavenue on Jul 6, 2014 8:56:08 GMT -5
Your new system is not liking what you have done to it. It is very sensitive. I agree with everyone else. Cut out the milk and sugar. Apple juice may be too much. Try to relax and continue to take the Immodium. I know this is not a fun time. It will pass and things will get better. Promise.
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Post by bboop on Jul 6, 2014 12:55:19 GMT -5
What everybody else said...cut the apple juice, limit the milk products and load up on Immodium. It's true, liquid in liquid out...it just goes with the DS...sorry. Look at old posts of some people that were newbies...this is part of it. Oh hell no, surgery isn't the easy way out...no way not even remotely true. Otherwise, it sounds like you are doing fine...having diarrhea isn't fun... I know, but this to shall pass. Once you begin eating it should stop. Not all at once but it will firm things up. In all honesty, I don't think I've had a normal (non DS) stool since my DS. This is part of the ride - or better yet the dark side. Oh yeah, you will begin to poop colors when you get on solid foods and pureed things...going potty can be fun. There is hope for you...just give it some time.
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Post by goodkel on Jul 6, 2014 13:29:23 GMT -5
Thank you all for the encouragement . If anybody ever tells me I "took the easy way out" or I didn't have to work hard for my weightloss, I WILL go postal. This is sooooo hard. I guess I'm also at that crazed, I haven't had any real nourishment in what feels like forever point. Definitely agree about cutting out the dairy....I went all day without it. VSG to DS w/gallbladder removal & repair of hiatal hernia 7-01-14/ Dr Boyce, Knoxville, TN /Age 40/5'8"/HW 287/SW 270 When it is really driving you nuts, remember that your body is using your excess fat as fuel and that is a happy thought.
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Post by goodkel on Jul 6, 2014 13:34:09 GMT -5
Early out, I just knew that it was the norm to have an urgent need to go and it went from liquid to loose.
Even now, I am never firm without taking my calcium and iron.
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Post by nursemelanie on Jul 6, 2014 14:24:51 GMT -5
When it is really driving you nuts, remember that your body is using your excess fat as fuel and that is a happy thought. Great point ;D. Thanks Kelly. VSG to DS w/gallbladder removal & repair of hiatal hernia 7-01-14/ Dr Boyce, Knoxville, TN /Age 40/5'8"/HW 287/SW 270
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Post by west4thavenue on Jul 6, 2014 14:59:17 GMT -5
What everybody else said...cut the apple juice, limit the milk products and load up on Immodium. It's true, liquid in liquid out...it just goes with the DS...sorry. Look at old posts of some people that were newbies...this is part of it. Oh hell no, surgery isn't the easy way out...no way not even remotely true. Otherwise, it sounds like you are doing fine...having diarrhea isn't fun... I know, but this to shall pass. Once you begin eating it should stop. Not all at once but it will firm things up. In all honesty, I don't think I've had a normal (non DS) stool since my DS. This is part of the ride - or better yet the dark side. Oh yeah, you will begin to poop colors when you get on solid foods and pureed things...going potty can be fun. There is hope for you...just give it some time. Yes, pooping since my DS has been a completely different experience.
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Post by nursemelanie on Jul 6, 2014 15:20:52 GMT -5
What everybody else said...cut the apple juice, limit the milk products and load up on Immodium. It's true, liquid in liquid out...it just goes with the DS...sorry. Look at old posts of some people that were newbies...this is part of it. Oh hell no, surgery isn't the easy way out...no way not even remotely true. Otherwise, it sounds like you are doing fine...having diarrhea isn't fun... I know, but this to shall pass. Once you begin eating it should stop. Not all at once but it will firm things up. In all honesty, I don't think I've had a normal (non DS) stool since my DS. This is part of the ride - or better yet the dark side. Oh yeah, you will begin to poop colors when you get on solid foods and pureed things...going potty can be fun. There is hope for you...just give it some time. Somehow I didn't read this till now. I was totally aware about the DS and poop issues....just some how I didn't realize I would have the diarrhea right away. Having you all to ask and confirm that it is totally normal really helps(especially on the holiday weekend when drs office is closed). The Imodium took care of the diarrhea for now and I will use it again if needed, so I'm diligently working on keeping myself hydrated. I knew since my sleeve wasn't being altered that I would probably feel different than the virgin ds'rs do....and that has stayed true... I am actually hungry. So I am just reminding myself that my intestines ARE altered and sticking to my surgeons rules. I know it WILL get better...but sometimes it just helps to hear it from others. I sincerely appreciate everone's encouragement and support. VSG to DS w/gallbladder removal & repair of hiatal hernia 7-01-14/ Dr Boyce, Knoxville, TN /Age 40/5'8"/HW 287/SW 270
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Post by west4thavenue on Jul 6, 2014 16:12:01 GMT -5
I'm with you, Melanie. I have found the information on this website very reassuring as well as educational. Where else would you get this perspective?
Hope you are feeling better this afternoon.
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Post by nursemelanie on Jul 6, 2014 19:08:45 GMT -5
I'm with you, Melanie. I have found the information on this website very reassuring as well as educational. Where else would you get this perspective?
Hope you are feeling better this afternoon. Yes, today I have done very well physically. Thank you for asking. Emotionally, it's been tuff. We're in midst of a move and I am doing my best to also deal with mental and physical hunger. I am going to try a protein shake tonight and see it agrees with my stomach better than a couple days ago. Being with my spouse and two girls who eat constantly(they are all healthy weights) is harder that I expected. I am experiencing some resentment that they get to eat. It's very odd. But I am keeping in mind that food was/is my only "addiction" and if I was trying to stop smoking crack, I would'nt fair well hanging around with a bunch of crackheads. The healthy thing is I am recognizing these feelings and trying not to let it affect my behavior to them. VSG to DS w/gallbladder removal & repair of hiatal hernia 7-01-14/ Dr Boyce, Knoxville, TN /Age 40/5'8"/HW 287/SW 270
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Post by west4thavenue on Jul 6, 2014 19:50:03 GMT -5
You're bound to be a little irritable when you are not at your strongest. I think it is great that you are recognizing your feelings about food, and your relationship with food! Being able to see yourself is a pretty clear sign of maturity. I'm proud of you.
When you reach a point where the weight is coming off and you have more energy, you will feel better emotionally. Hang in there.
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Post by nursemelanie on Jul 6, 2014 23:28:04 GMT -5
Thanks west4thavenue. You have a lovely way of bringing positivity and gentle kindness to each post.
VSG to DS w/gallbladder removal & repair of hiatal hernia 7-01-14/ Dr Boyce, Knoxville, TN /Age 40/5'8"/HW 287/SW 270
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Post by west4thavenue on Jul 7, 2014 8:03:29 GMT -5
Thanks west4thavenue. You have a lovely way of bringing positivity and gentle kindness to each post. VSG to DS w/gallbladder removal & repair of hiatal hernia 7-01-14/ Dr Boyce, Knoxville, TN /Age 40/5'8"/HW 287/SW 270 Aww, shucks, ma'am.
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Post by illinids2 on Jul 7, 2014 10:07:13 GMT -5
I just wanted to say be careful with Immodium as you don't want to constipate yourself. Constipation for us is very uncomfortable. As a nurse I know that you understand the difference between diarrhea and loose stool, so I think the elimination of milk and sugary drinks (apple juice and g2...still has good amount of sugar) is good advice.
Loose stools, especially early on are to be expected. If after elimination of possible irritants you still have diarrhea then you should get tested for C-diff or other possible infection.
Hang in there
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Post by angelise on Jul 7, 2014 11:38:47 GMT -5
Hey! Glad your procedure went well. Just wanted to say I had the same issues post op as well and it seemed to get a bit better with elimination of lactose and adding solid foods. Good luck
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Post by nursemelanie on Jul 7, 2014 14:36:03 GMT -5
I just wanted to say be careful with Immodium as you don't want to constipate yourself. Constipation for us is very uncomfortable. As a nurse I know that you understand the difference between diarrhea and loose stool, so I think the elimination of milk and sugary drinks (apple juice and g2...still has good amount of sugar) is good advice. Loose stools, especially early on are to be expected. If after elimination of possible irritants you still have diarrhea then you should get tested for C-diff or other possible infection. Hang in there Yes, I will definitely keep that in mind. I only took the 2 Imodium when it turned to the water consistency and it has held me through till this morning and there is just some very loose. So that I can live with. I experienced some terrible constipation after anesthesia in my past so will definitely be conservative with the Imodium. Thanks for looking out for me. VSG to DS w/gallbladder removal & repair of hiatal hernia 7-01-14/ Dr Boyce, Knoxville, TN /Age 40/5'8"/HW 287/SW 270
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Post by nursemelanie on Jul 7, 2014 14:46:59 GMT -5
Hey! Glad your procedure went well. Just wanted to say I had the same issues post op as well and it seemed to get a bit better with elimination of lactose and adding solid foods. Good luck Thank you. Yes it went very well. I'm really surprised at how physically well I'm doing at 1 wk postop. Using very little Tylenol. Not tolerating any protein shakes though. Just clear liquids since I stopped the lactose-free milk. VSG to DS w/gallbladder removal & repair of hiatal hernia 7-01-14/ Dr Boyce, Knoxville, TN /Age 40/5'8"/HW 287/SW 270
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Post by nursemelanie on Jul 7, 2014 18:26:05 GMT -5
So I talked to the nurse at my surgeon's office today and she said they absolutely don't allow Imodium for fear of a blockage. She said I needed to take Benefiber and if that didn't work within 24-48 hrs, that they would send me to do a stool sample to check for cdiff etc. She also said I cannot go without protein right now and they expected me to be getting 60 grams in. I will try the Benefiber. But as for the protein, I haven't found a protein shake I can stomach a couple drinks of. I see phase 2 of my diet having to start at 2 weeks. You think that would put me in the category of noncompliant?
VSG to DS w/gallbladder removal & repair of hiatal hernia 7-01-14/ Dr Boyce, Knoxville, TN /Age 40/5'8"/HW 287/SW 270/CW 264
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Post by west4thavenue on Jul 7, 2014 18:44:46 GMT -5
A C-Diff test is not a bad idea post op. If that is what's causing the diarrhea, it won't go away without treatment. Immodium was recommended to me by my surgeon's nurse when they ruled out C-Diff. I can't speak to a blockage issue with Immodium because I haven't ever heard of that. Maybe it has something to do with your particular surgery. I do not know that much about Benefiber.
I guess I'm non-compliant, too, Melanie. I can't get my face near a protein shake without gagging. There have been a lot of things that have affected me this way since my surgery.
Veterans?
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Post by cherylbaker on Jul 7, 2014 20:17:14 GMT -5
A C-Diff test is not a bad idea post op. If that is what's causing the diarrhea, it won't go away without treatment. Immodium was recommended to me by my surgeon's nurse when they ruled out C-Diff. I can't speak to a blockage issue with Immodium because I haven't ever heard of that. Maybe it has something to do with your particular surgery. I do not know that much about Benefiber. I guess I'm non-compliant, too, Melanie. I can't get my face near a protein shake without gagging. There have been a lot of things that have affected me this way since my surgery. Veterans? Ha ha ha i don't think not drinking protein shakes make you non compliant. . But not getting your protein in SOMEWAY will certainly not be good. I love protein shake have not met one I didn't like. . Sure hope after surgery that does not change. Have you tried unjury ? They also I hear have protein broth maybe you guys would like that?
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