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Post by nursemelanie on Jul 7, 2014 21:16:13 GMT -5
I didn't have any problem with protein shakes before surgery. But now I don't want anything sweet!
On the noncompliant part, I meant starting pureed at 2 wks instead of waiting 4 wks per their rules.
I tried the protein broth and it was awful to me. I had one last resort at home and that is the protein cream of chicken soup. It was between bad and barfable....so I ate 1/2 cup which was 7.5 grams protein.
Guess I'm gonna have to order the unjury. I won't have a bit of problems getting my protein in as soon as I can eat REAL food.
VSG to DS w/gallbladder removal & repair of hiatal hernia 7-01-14/ Dr Boyce, Knoxville, TN /Age 40/5'8"/HW 287/SW 270/CW 264
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Post by newyorkbitch on Jul 7, 2014 21:21:46 GMT -5
FWIW, I was eating before I was even out of the hospital...
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Post by cherylbaker on Jul 7, 2014 21:48:35 GMT -5
FWIW, I was eating before I was even out of the hospital... Wow seriously. . Isn't the point of not eating to allow your insides to heal? I think if your choice is not enough protein or eat than you eat.. would be my opinion |
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Post by cherylbaker on Jul 7, 2014 21:50:32 GMT -5
I didn't have any problem with protein shakes before surgery. But now I don't want anything sweet! On the noncompliant part, I meant starting pureed at 2 wks instead of waiting 4 wks per their rules. I tried the protein broth and it was awful to me. I had one last resort at home and that is the protein cream of chicken soup. It was between bad and barfable....so I ate 1/2 cup which was 7.5 grams protein. Guess I'm gonna have to order the unjury. I won't have a bit of problems getting my protein in as soon as I can eat REAL food. VSG to DS w/gallbladder removal & repair of hiatal hernia 7-01-14/ Dr Boyce, Knoxville, TN /Age 40/5'8"/HW 287/SW 270/CW 264 Oh sorry misunderstood. . I think if you have to choose between not getting your protein or starting a stage early starting a stage early would be better.. i guess if your body don't like it it will tell you ha ha ha. . Going to sleep now. . Morning is surgery. . See ya on the flip side |
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Post by nursemelanie on Jul 7, 2014 21:54:20 GMT -5
FWIW, I was eating before I was even out of the hospital... Yeah it seems 2 wks of liquids would be plenty for my intestines and of course my sleeve is 4 yrs old. VSG to DS w/gallbladder removal & repair of hiatal hernia 7-01-14/ Dr Boyce, Knoxville, TN /Age 40/5'8"/HW 287/SW 270/CW 264 |
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Post by illinids2 on Jul 7, 2014 22:21:16 GMT -5
Okay, as I was told early on...protein targets should be 30/60/90. That is 30 grams by 30 days out, 60 grams by 60 days. etc. If you can get more that is great, but if you can't you will be fine. So please don't let your surgeon's nurse freak you out on the protein intake. As much as you can get is great, but fluids are more important now because it is so easy to get dehydrated.
I can tell you I wasn't getting diddly for a month because the smell of the protein powder made me ill (I still can't stomach protein drinks to this day) and I struggled to get in enough liquids to keep from dehydration (took a coupe trips to ER for fluids, well second was for puking and gall stones too). My GERD was very bad early on and my tastes were so far off that everything tasted horrible. The only thing I could eat early on was a little cream of wheat and I drank hot tea so my protein intake was next to nothing for the first month...when I finally started to be able to do a little more. Then it was nuts and sunflower seeds that were protein sources.
Hope the C-Diff is negative and things settle in for you Melanie
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Post by nursemelanie on Jul 8, 2014 0:50:20 GMT -5
Okay, as I was told early on...protein targets should be 30/60/90. That is 30 grams by 30 days out, 60 grams by 60 days. etc. If you can get more that is great, but if you can't you will be fine. So please don't let your surgeon's nurse freak you out on the protein intake. As much as you can get is great, but fluids are more important now because it is so easy to get dehydrated. I can tell you I wasn't getting diddly for a month because the smell of the protein powder made me ill (I still can't stomach protein drinks to this day) and I struggled to get in enough liquids to keep from dehydration (took a coupe trips to ER for fluids, well second was for puking and gall stones too). My GERD was very bad early on and my tastes were so far off that everything tasted horrible. The only thing I could eat early on was a little cream of wheat and I drank hot tea so my protein intake was next to nothing for the first month...when I finally started to be able to do a little more. Then it was nuts and sunflower seeds that were protein sources. Hope the C-Diff is negative and things settle in for you Melanie Thank you. I am sooo with you on the smell of the shakes. When I heard people say there tastes change, I just had no idea till now. I think cream of wheat sounds good...may have to try. And green decaf tea is something I am tolerating. They aren't ordering any stool cultures yet because the "d" hasn't returned. I read about that 30/60/90 rule. That's why I was a little surprised by the convo today with the nurse. I am not going to do things or fail to do things that would negatively impact my health or my DS. I'm just not looking forward to them saying I'm not following their plan. If I have learned anything this week it is that there just isn't a "one size fits all" plan for postop period. I will follow as closely to what they ask of me, but bottom line I have to also do what is right for my individual body. I love the support here. You ALL are awesome. VSG to DS w/gallbladder removal & repair of hiatal hernia 7-01-14/ Dr Boyce, Knoxville, TN /Age 40/5'8"/HW 287/SW 270/CW 264 |
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Post by Girlrocker on Jul 8, 2014 1:09:26 GMT -5
FWIW, I was eating before I was even out of the hospital... Wow seriously. . Isn't the point of not eating to allow your insides to heal? I think if your choice is not enough protein or eat than you eat.. would be my opinion I doubt she was eating a steak at that time. But she was also a virgin DS and it's different when you're a revision, even in a situation like nursemelanie where here surgery from the VSG is more having the second step of the DS than a revision. One bariatric surgery means there's a possibility of adhesions and scar tissue. It's not uncommon to start on soft foods; and yes, sometimes people eat what they need to in order to make it work. Our surgeons are different, they have different requirements for post-op regimen and reasons for them. There are definitely some foods to avoid that are known to be hard on a healing stomach, but in the end, it's YMMV, and you do what you can to make things work. Melanie you might be able to do soft food at two weeks, talk to him and ask, once you see you how you're doing. I was lucky and did fine with protein shakes, I also drank them very simply, as thi as possible made with water, easy to get down, counted myself lucky there. Hope the diarrhea is clearing up! |
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Post by nursemelanie on Jul 8, 2014 1:34:32 GMT -5
Wow seriously. . Isn't the point of not eating to allow your insides to heal? I think if your choice is not enough protein or eat than you eat.. would be my opinion Melanie you might be able to do soft food at two weeks, talk to him and ask, once you see you how you're doing. I was lucky and did fine with protein shakes, I also drank them very simply, as thi as possible made with water, easy to get down, counted myself lucky there. Hope the diarrhea is clearing up! I only had two loose bm's today.  It is so strange how easily I am talking poop with you all. Lol. I have always been so private about bathroom issues, but now it's like talking about the weather. I definitely will talk to them on the 16th, my next checkup. And since you mentioned adhesions...I don't know if I mentioned that he told me I didn't have any scar tissue, but I did have some adhesions around the top of my sleeve that he removed to get to my "moderate" hiatal hernia. I can definitely feel the places he did most of his work. Truthfully, I was probably a little enternally judgemental when I read about people not being able to tolerate the shakes....thinking oh there probably just being too picky or maybe they're just not trying hard enough. But boy did that show me...because Sharyl every brand I have tried is just a NO go. I would be dealing with vomiting and we all know that would be bad on recovery. So isn't life full of little lessons.  VSG to DS w/gallbladder removal & repair of hiatal hernia 7-01-14/ Dr Boyce, Knoxville, TN /Age 40/5'8"/HW 287/SW 270/CW 264 |
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Post by Girlrocker on Jul 8, 2014 1:39:08 GMT -5
If you had adhesions, you might just want to bite the bullet and stick with liquids, though see if he will bend after two weeks with super soft foods. As for the protein shakes, yep,a LOT of people have trouble with them, I was lucky they were easy for me, and it decreased my stress. This will keep happening, you'll remember things you read before that didn't see to make sense but you'll have 'ah ha' moments, happens a lot throughout the process. It's a lottttta trial and error for awhile, finding what works, if it doesn't, finding something else, bringing it back later and so on.
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Post by nursemelanie on Jul 8, 2014 1:50:28 GMT -5
If you had adhesions, you might just want to bite the bullet and stick with liquids, though see if he will bend after two weeks with super soft foods. So even though the adhesions were on the outside, it would affect the inside and your rate of food progression? Excuse my lack of knowledge on the subject. VSG to DS w/gallbladder removal & repair of hiatal hernia 7-01-14/ Dr Boyce, Knoxville, TN /Age 40/5'8"/HW 287/SW 270/CW 264 |
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Post by teachermomolp on Jul 8, 2014 20:43:51 GMT -5
Even Unjury bothered me. Someone here told me about Jay Robb egg white protein shakes. I tried that and so far so good... Get that protein somehow... Feel better too!
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Post by Happy DSr on Jul 8, 2014 23:46:40 GMT -5
there is no reason you need to meet a minimum of 30 gr of carbs. That was the maximum I targeted daily for my first six months. Drinking sugar (in juices) still causes me some distress at 6+ years
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Post by nursemelanie on Jul 9, 2014 1:46:21 GMT -5
there is no reason you need to meet a minimum of 30 gr of carbs. That was the maximum I targeted daily for my first six months. Drinking sugar (in juices) still causes me some distress at 6+ years As great as my surgeon is, I am truly seeing the nutrition plans and ideas are unfortunately not on par. Of course that doesn't seem to be uncommon. I truly would be lost without this forum. The past few days I've been sticking to a decaf green tea, water and a little low cal grape G2(especially for the electrolytes) for my fluids. Averaging about 11 carbs daily. And I have found a few things, in place of the yuck protein shakes, that get me about 44 grams of protein daily. So I'm feeling good about it and gonna have to do the popular "smile and nod" at my 2 wk appointment next week. VSG to DS w/gallbladder removal & repair of hiatal hernia 7-01-14/ Dr Boyce, Knoxville, TN /Age 40/5'8"/HW 287/SW 270/CW 264 |
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Post by goodkel on Jul 9, 2014 15:24:12 GMT -5
Just remember 30, 60, 90 and you'll be fine, though getting there sooner is not a problem if you're not pushing too hard.
30 grams a day by 30 days out and so on.
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Post by Girlrocker on Jul 9, 2014 16:06:57 GMT -5
there is no reason you need to meet a minimum of 30 gr of carbs. That was the maximum I targeted daily for my first six months. Drinking sugar (in juices) still causes me some distress at 6+ years As great as my surgeon is, I am truly seeing the nutrition plans and ideas are unfortunately not on par. Of course that doesn't seem to be uncommon. I truly would be lost without this forum. The past few days I've been sticking to a decaf green tea, water and a little low cal grape G2(especially for the electrolytes) for my fluids. Averaging about 11 carbs daily. And I have found a few things, in place of the yuck protein shakes, that get me about 44 grams of protein daily. So I'm feeling good about it and gonna have to do the popular "smile and nod" at my 2 wk appointment next week. VSG to DS w/gallbladder removal & repair of hiatal hernia 7-01-14/ Dr Boyce, Knoxville, TN /Age 40/5'8"/HW 287/SW 270/CW 264 Yep, this and poop, welcome to our world, and just think, the fun is JUST beginning! You know, adhesions can cause all kinds of interference, it's hard to say. But this, re: what the doctor's office/NUTs say and what is truth, very different. There are times we do have to listen to our doctor's orders, they do certain things for a reason; but advice on minimum of 30g carbs, um nope! I did work with the 50g max guideline and in my early recovery months, usually well under that. I knew it would change eventually and much later on, become more challenging, so I enjoyed the fact I could low carb with relative ease while I could.  Glad you're finding alternatives already, and yes, the 30/60/90g protein for months out is a good guideline to follow, so you don't have to force more if you're not able, but by all means if you CAN get in more protein, great, because it really facilitates healing, builds the muscle and the tissue. |
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Post by illinids2 on Jul 9, 2014 16:25:46 GMT -5
BTW, sugar and carbs don't make me poop/have diarrhea. For example today after lunch we were in historic St Charles and I had peach cobbler with ice cream on top and then an hour later a piece of chocolate covered bacon (Farking awesome)...now I had one bite with the chocolate and then peeled 90% of the chocolate off and ate the delicious thick cut bacon. All of that didn't cause any liquid issues and hasn't in the past either. Now a glass of wine/couple drinks and a lot of fat, yep that makes it fly.
Carbs can make me crampy and bloaty, but doesn't give me the runs.
NOTE: I do not eat stuff like this everyday...this is a very strange week for us.
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YMMV
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Post by west4thavenue on Jul 9, 2014 17:12:25 GMT -5
BTW, sugar and carbs don't make me poop/have diarrhea. For example today after lunch we were in historic St Charles and I had peach cobbler with ice cream on top and then an hour later a piece of chocolate covered bacon (Farking awesome)...now I had one bite with the chocolate and then peeled 90% of the chocolate off and ate the delicious thick cut bacon. All of that didn't cause any liquid issues and hasn't in the past either. Now a glass of wine/couple drinks and a lot of fat, yep that makes it fly. Carbs can make me crampy and bloaty, but doesn't give me the runs. NOTE: I do not eat stuff like this everyday...this is a very strange week for us. also YMMV You're killing me, Smalls. Peach cobbler with vanilla ice cream? Isn't that what they serve in heaven? I'm afraid I would die from the diarrhea...if I didn't die of happiness first. Unfortunately, sugar just won't work for me. I couldn't even handle tomato soup for the sugar in that. I've had a big, beautiful bumper crop of grapes on my vines this year. Can't touch 'em. All I can do is listen to my DH talk about how good they are and watch the birds eat the rest of them. Hope I will be able to eat some next year!
Next time, take a special bite for me.
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Post by cherylbaker on Jul 9, 2014 17:21:56 GMT -5
I would love it if I couldn't eas t swets.. they are my downfall and since sugar isn't malobsorption it will all count. Looking to the fat malobsorption on the ds.
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Post by illinids2 on Jul 9, 2014 17:29:58 GMT -5
BTW, sugar and carbs don't make me poop/have diarrhea. For example today after lunch we were in historic St Charles and I had peach cobbler with ice cream on top and then an hour later a piece of chocolate covered bacon (Farking awesome)...now I had one bite with the chocolate and then peeled 90% of the chocolate off and ate the delicious thick cut bacon. All of that didn't cause any liquid issues and hasn't in the past either. Now a glass of wine/couple drinks and a lot of fat, yep that makes it fly. Carbs can make me crampy and bloaty, but doesn't give me the runs. NOTE: I do not eat stuff like this everyday...this is a very strange week for us. also YMMV You're killing me, Smalls. Peach cobbler with vanilla ice cream? Isn't that what they serve in heaven? I'm afraid I would die from the diarrhea...if I didn't die of happiness first. Unfortunately, sugar just won't work for me. I couldn't even handle tomato soup for the sugar in that. I've had a big, beautiful bumper crop of grapes on my vines this year. Can't touch 'em. All I can do is listen to my DH talk about how good they are and watch the birds eat the rest of them. Hope I will be able to eat some next year!
Next time, take a special bite for me.
Sorry hon, and I will. I have been lucky in that way, and it may very well change, but so far so good. FYI - I had trouble with tomato stuff early on as well...way too acidic. |
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Post by nursemelanie on Jul 9, 2014 20:44:45 GMT -5
I'm sure my craving for sweets will return, but for now it's not there which I'm glad of. But I do find myself daydreaming of the DS food to come. And my weight is really zooming down this week. Down 10 lbs since Sunday!
VSG to DS w/ gallbladder removal, adhesion removals & repair of hiatal hernia 7-01-14/ Dr Boyce, Knoxville, TN /Age 40/5'8"/HW 287/SW 270/CW 260
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Post by cherylbaker on Jul 9, 2014 23:33:26 GMT -5
I'm sure my craving for sweets will return, but for now it's not there which I'm glad of. But I do find myself daydreaming of the DS food to come. And my weight is really zooming down this week. Down 10 lbs since Sunday! VSG to DS w/ gallbladder removal, adhesion removals & repair of hiatal hernia 7-01-14/ Dr Boyce, Knoxville, TN /Age 40/5'8"/HW 287/SW 270/CW 260 Wow that's awsome. |
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Post by newyorkbitch on Jul 10, 2014 6:39:48 GMT -5
I was not under orders not to eat in the hospital - the hospital gave me the food. It was soft food, after the first 24 hours of liquids. I was not on liquids-only at all except for the first 24 hours.
Every surgeon has different ideas about the post-op period. The point is to be cautious and go slowly. How slowly is up to you and your surgeon....or not.
My cravings for sweets never came back...
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Post by newyorkbitch on Jul 10, 2014 6:46:34 GMT -5
I also want to say that I hope all of you newbies are on a PPI (Monica's issue notwithstanding).
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Post by cherylbaker on Jul 10, 2014 8:06:01 GMT -5
Is that the anti acid or gas stuff .. i know they have that in my iv
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Post by illinids2 on Jul 10, 2014 8:10:12 GMT -5
I'm sure my craving for sweets will return, but for now it's not there which I'm glad of. For the record, I didn't have any desire for sweets for several months and I don't eat that much now, but I don't believe in denying myself either....moderation is key. But I do find myself daydreaming of the DS food to come. And my weight is really zooming down this week. Down 10 lbs since Sunday! VSG to DS w/ gallbladder removal, adhesion removals & repair of hiatal hernia 7-01-14/ Dr Boyce, Knoxville, TN /Age 40/5'8"/HW 287/SW 270/CW 260 |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2014 8:11:35 GMT -5
I'm more like Scott, Carbs don't give me the runs, but do produce voluminous gas clouds, and a bit of bloating. Simple carbs, of course are worse than complex for that issue.
I have a bigger sweet tooth than I ever did before surgery, and it can get me into trouble sometimes. If i eat my simples in the same time frame as my proteins and fats, they have less of an effect. If I eat them way out from any other DS friendly foods, the GAS begins in a couple hours. Also, I will feel weird for 20-30 minutes if I have a big sweet treat, (like the peach cobbler and Ice ceam) without having eaten any other good food right before, or in the same hour. The good food seems to help slow the absorption of the simples. (thats my story, stickin' to it)..
Also, I HAVE to take my calciums.. Not for my bones, but to keep my poo from being the constistency of whipped butter. When it's like that, It FLOATS totally out of the water, and we all know how things droop after weightloss.. ;-) LOL....
Benefiber will add bulk to your poo, and can be helpful in absorbing excess water.. It doesn't mean your not having diarrhea. it is just counteracting it. Make sure to keep drinking LOTS of water while taking the Benefiber.
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Post by illinids2 on Jul 10, 2014 8:14:50 GMT -5
I was not under orders not to eat in the hospital - the hospital gave me the food. It was soft food, after the first 24 hours of liquids. I was not on liquids-only at all except for the first 24 hours. Every surgeon has different ideas about the post-op period. The point is to be cautious and go slowly. How slowly is up to you and your surgeon....or not. My cravings for sweets never came back...Mine have, just like my desire to eat other foods like eggs, meat, veggies, cheese, etc. came back as well. Everything I ate tasted like garbage for the first 30-75 days, to varying degrees. Now I am pretty much back to normal as to tastes that I desire, it is just how my stomach might react to those foods. For instance I love good chips and fresh salsa but very much of it doesn't like me....causes physical pain right under the bottom of my sternum. Anyway, as I have said before, moderation is and always has been the key. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2014 8:21:52 GMT -5
Mine have, just like my desire to eat other foods like eggs, meat, veggies, cheese, etc. came back as well. Everything I ate tasted like garbage for the first 30-75 days, to varying degrees. Now I am pretty much back to normal as to tastes that I desire, it is just how my stomach might react to those foods. For instance I love good chips and fresh salsa but very much of it doesn't like me....causes physical pain right under the bottom of my sternum. Anyway, as I have said before, moderation is and always has been the key. Chips I do great with, The salsa is the weak link.. I can have some, but to sit and have a half jar of it, Not a comfortable feeling.. |
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Post by illinids2 on Jul 10, 2014 9:07:45 GMT -5
Mine have, just like my desire to eat other foods like eggs, meat, veggies, cheese, etc. came back as well. Everything I ate tasted like garbage for the first 30-75 days, to varying degrees. Now I am pretty much back to normal as to tastes that I desire, it is just how my stomach might react to those foods. For instance I love good chips and fresh salsa but very much of it doesn't like me....causes physical pain right under the bottom of my sternum. Anyway, as I have said before, moderation is and always has been the key. Chips I do great with, The salsa is the weak link.. I can have some, but to sit and have a half jar of it, Not a comfortable feeling.. Yep, mainly the salsa for me as well and that is the part I really like...chips are just a vehicle. |
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It is so strange how easily I am talking poop with you all. Lol. I have always been so private about bathroom issues, but now it's like talking about the weather. 
Glad you're finding alternatives already, and yes, the 30/60/90g protein for months out is a good guideline to follow, so you don't have to force more if you're not able, but by all means if you CAN get in more protein, great, because it really facilitates healing, builds the muscle and the tissue. 
