Real cream? Really?

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I'm very tired due to my family situation (will resolve by surgery when school starts), but trying hard to research well before surgery. Please give me grace for this fact.

As a revision from RNY who doesn't eat much, whose pouch rejects many things, and who dumps and gains weight on a dime, I'm having trouble getting my brain around the post op diet.

Are revision post op diets any different than virgin surgeries, if you want to maximize weight loss? Did eating meat get easier with restoration of the pyloric valve?

Losing weight while being able to eat things that taste good (bear in mind I've been eating low calorie, high protein, low fat, low carb, no sugar for over a decade) seems too good to be true.

[Girlrocker]

Hi, I revised from the RNY to the DS in December 2011, so I'm about 18 months out. I didn't have any major food intolerances with my RNY, I did dump. But I lived in the same diet hell I did before surgery, low fat, low calories, super low carb, and struggled to get and stay under 200 lbs. Working out longer and longer with nothing happening. (I'm now 155-156).

Generally speaking, no, there isn't a difference in the DS lifestyle for a virgin vs. revision surgery. Any distinction will come from what your specific plumbing is looking like which they won't know fully until they get in there; what if any long-term issues you've had, and being a little more gentle and cautious during the healing process. I had Dr. Keshishian and was on a feeding tube for 6 weeks, and he was cautious with me about reintegrating foods.

But otherwise, DS rules are DS rules, lifestyle; you enter a whole new realm of being able to eat really good food, loaded with protein, full fat while keeping your good carb intake modest. But you do have to fully understand that because of our low absorption of protein and fat that makes this possible, you have to be diligent about getting it in, and taking supplements. Not negotiable. It's a pretty amazing way to be able to eat. Prettygirlbounce here has been through a horrific experience with her RNY, and then a band over bypass, and she's fixed and doing great, read her posts to see her progress.

For me, being able to eat full fat again was weird and it took me awhile to figure it out for myself. I looked at Dr. K and said, well it's not like I can just eat fat balls, bacon and heavy cream sauces now, I don't even like that (minus bacon, love it, but not every day). Pretty fun trial and error, figured it out and I'm thrilled - for me it's using full fat dairy products, cooking with butter and oil (no more sauteeing, stirfrying with broth only and PAM spray!), cheese, avacado, olives, more red meat (not as much lean ground turkey), nuts, mayo, cream cheese. And heavy whipping cream in my coffee. If I want ice cream, I eat the good stuff, the real thing.

I do have some carb intolerances, white flour/gluten pretty much kill me, depending on how much I eat, either lots of toots/gas to full on racing to the bathroom. Have this with some of the good ones, too - spinach ok in small amounts, no more big bowl spinach salads, and few other vegetables. And for some reason, sugar alcohols don't agree with me. But it's nothing like what you're dealing with, some people have no intolerances at all, and many of us have a random few. Really, not surprising when one considers just how much everything in our GI area is manhandled, and us 'revisionistas' get it that much more. So it's a small trade. You're going to feel sooo much better. Who is your surgeon?

Jul 8, 2013 14:49:31 GMT -5 @proteinsnob said:

I'm very tired due to my family situation (will resolve by surgery when school starts), but trying hard to research well before surgery. Please give me grace for this fact.

As a revision from RNY who doesn't eat much, whose pouch rejects many things, and who dumps and gains weight on a dime, I'm having trouble getting my brain around the post op diet.

Are revision post op diets any different than virgin surgeries, if you want to maximize weight loss? Did eating meat get easier with restoration of the pyloric valve?

Losing weight while being able to eat things that taste good (bear in mind I've been eating low calorie, high protein, low fat, low carb, no sugar for over a decade) seems too good to be true.

[shiftedsanity]

Amazing.

[PrettyGirlBounce]

What Sharyl said is totally me in a nutshell. I will add that yes, revising to the DS has definitely allowed me to FINALLY be able to eat dense proteins again like a "normal" person which I have not had the luxury of doing for over ten years due to my RNY and lap-band (only thing I have not tried is an actual steak but plan to in a month or two - but any form of chicken, pork or fish has had great results!). It's very exciting and opens up a lot of doors to have a rich, delicious diet.

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Thank you so much for these great responses! I am hoping so much that the revision will change things for the better. I really appreciate the time that each of you took to respond.

[Girlrocker]

Jul 9, 2013 0:51:17 GMT -5 @proteinsnob said:

Thank you so much for these great responses! I am hoping so much that the revision will change things for the better. I really appreciate the time that each of you took to respond.

Your prospects for that to happen are really good. Can you tell us who your perspective surgeon is, since it's not yet in your signature? You might have included this in another post I missed, but I'm checking, because there are only a handful of vetted surgeons who can do this revision and want to ensure you have one of them!

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Oh, I'm sorry Sharyl. My surgeon is Dr. Stewart in Texas. Thank you so much for checking!

I really cannot thank you - and all of the vets really- enough for all of the GOOD information that all of you give and make freely available here.

I would not be here, preparing for and hoping to make my life better without all of the advice and help that you freely give. I would still be trudging through life, not knowing that I had options.

So thanks. Can that really be said enough?

[Girlrocker]

Jul 12, 2013 2:14:38 GMT -5 @proteinsnob said:

Oh, I'm sorry Sharyl. My surgeon is Dr. Stewart in Texas. Thank you so much for checking!

I really cannot thank you - and all of the vets really- enough for all of the GOOD information that all of you give and make freely available here.

I would not be here, preparing for and hoping to make my life better without all of the advice and help that you freely give. I would still be trudging through life, not knowing that I had options.

So thanks. Can that really be said enough?

Awww, I just wanna give you a big 'ol hug! I know exactly how you feel, and really, I so fortunate to have excellent support systems both times at the rodeo. I truly can't imagine this process without it; I'm still friends today with people I met during my first procedure in 2002 via online support board, and now had this group to see my through my revision. Thanks for updating about your surgeon, you should add your tentative revision date/surgeon name in your signature, better helps response process. Ask any and all you need, any time!