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Post by bekka1029 on Jun 30, 2013 19:43:23 GMT -5
ok, so I'm 3 weeks out, and starting yesterday, most everything I try to eat comes back up! Any advice?
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Post by annaleigh on Jun 30, 2013 20:05:35 GMT -5
We're gonna need more info than that, obviously. What/how often/how quickly are you eating?
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Post by Paula on Jun 30, 2013 20:17:31 GMT -5
I was about a week out from surgery when I developed what turned out to be a stricture. Fluids coming up too? Or just food?
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Post by bekka1029 on Jun 30, 2013 20:57:02 GMT -5
This morning, for example, I had sausage gravy and afew bites of watermelon. Only fluid came up. For lunch, I had a meatball in red sauce. Only fluid came up. It seems to be the same pattern, and never the actual food coming up.
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Post by bekka1029 on Jun 30, 2013 20:58:39 GMT -5
So far, the ONLY thing I have no problems with are nuts! I think I eat slowly as my daughter and I are now sharing everything and I try to have her take two bites to every one of mine, but I will watch tonight!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2013 22:17:39 GMT -5
This morning, for example, I had sausage gravy and afew bites of watermelon. Only fluid came up. For lunch, I had a meatball in red sauce. Only fluid came up. It seems to be the same pattern, and never the actual food coming up. I haven't had my surgery yet, but it sounds like your are eating too many carbs this early on in the journey, especially sausage gravy that has a good deal of flour in it. I hear flour is really hard on many DS'rs. My understanding is that you should be eating almost 100% protein at this point in the journey, so that might be part of it...but some of the Vets will need to chime in because I am speculating and do not speak from any experience.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2013 22:39:05 GMT -5
If you continue to be unable to keep down fluids, get your butt to the ER no later than first thing in the morning, and preferably sooner.
Assuming there is nothing really "wrong," I'd say you're advancing your diet MUCH too fast. Sausage gravy? ACK! Meatball, tomato sauce....My belly cringes just thinking of those things at this stage. Back your diet way up, back to what you were doing before you started puking, and quit putting so many different foods in your gullet. Keep it much simpler than what you've been doing.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2013 22:52:55 GMT -5
Seems to me 3 weeks is kind of early for meat I am not the norm so I may be wrong. I was NPO for 8 weeks then liquids for 2, soft for 4 and more solid as I could tolerate.
I am 6 months out and still throw up. It happens for a number of reasons (for me). If I eat too fast or too much. Sometimes my stomach just will not take in anything solid at all. As time goes by I seem to be able to eat more but evenings are still a challenge. Good luck. Whit
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Post by bboop on Jun 30, 2013 23:27:24 GMT -5
Three weeks is really soon to be eating that much solid food. Stop doing that and slow down what you are eating. Go back to mushy food, and do it now. Drink plenty of protein...shakes for now. Give your new tummy time to heal.
Then if you are still throwing up...get to the ER as soon as you can.
I promise you will get to eat...just not yet. Just slow down the progression and restart what you are eating. Use your blender or bullet to mash up your food. See if that helps and only eat a little bit at a time. See how it sits on your stomach.
If you were like me, I could out eat any ten lumber jacks at one sitting - now that was pre surgery. You now have a very tiny tummy and it's still healing. That's why you had the DS.
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Post by Paula on Jul 1, 2013 0:02:53 GMT -5
Would have been way early for me too. I wasn't able to handle dense proteins like chicken, beef, and pork until at least 5 months out
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2013 0:06:59 GMT -5
This happened to me. I would Concentrate on the liquids. Drink all day, all you can, and don't worry about food for a few days. I would Concentrate on only water and some protein. Worked for me.
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Post by PrettyGirlBounce on Jul 1, 2013 22:15:19 GMT -5
I agree with the above posters. I could have never eaten sausage anything and definitely not meatballs in tomato sauce at 3 weeks out. Physically, it would have come back up for sure and my surgeon would have been REALLY upset with me for trying to progress my diet so quickly. Try 1/2 c of full fat ricotta cheese. I would shake in some Parmesan cheese, garlic salt or garlic powder, oregano and Italian seasoning to your liking and stir it up. Then I would put about 2T of marinara on top and microwave it until warm. Add another sprinkle of Parm cheese and throw on shredded Mozzarella if you have any. It is like lasagne and was SO delicious to me at this phase. I even started adding a egg to the ricotta before I nuked it after a couple more weeks out and it held it together and created a more firm consistency while also adding more protein. This dish kept me sane for several weeks lol. It tasted like "real food" and a nice break from protein shakes. Also, try egg drop soup. Pour 1 cup of low sodium chicken broth into a small saucepan. Add a splash of low-sodium soy sauce and I like a bit of black ground pepper. Crack an egg into a bowl and stir it with a fork a few times to mix it. Once broth is boiling rapidly, slowly drop globs of egg into the broth. Easy as hell and also delicious. It was very easy and soothing on my healing tummy to boot. You should try to get creative and eat softer foods for now...and small amounts and slowly. Trust me, you'll be eating sausage and meatballs soon enough. Good luck.
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Post by sheanie on Jul 1, 2013 22:37:32 GMT -5
Go back to soft foods and see what happens. Greek yogurt. Then slowly advance.
I'm quite positive you are way ahead of your surgeon's recommended food progression. What are you supposed to be eating right now?
Also, the throwing up will eat at your tooth enamel. But don't brush your teeth after you barf, just rinse with plain water. Or a fluoride rinse, if you have some. Stop the vomiting, though, first off.
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Post by bekka1029 on Jul 1, 2013 23:33:38 GMT -5
It's not actually throw up (per se) no acid, it seems to be what won't fit in my stomach. My surgeon cleared me at my one week visit to eat anything that I could tolerate, as long as I focused on protein first. Today I didn't throw up at all! I had egg for breakfast, peanuts for snack, grilled cheese for lunch, salami for snack and veggi soup for dinner. I backed down to only two to three bits per meal, and I stopped drinking with meals to allow for more room. Seems to have done the trick!
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Post by newanatomy on Jul 1, 2013 23:48:26 GMT -5
Hope you feel better soon.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2013 8:14:10 GMT -5
Ah, look at what you said: IT'S WHAT WON'T FIT IN MY STOMACH.
Hint, very large hint: YOU ARE EATING TOO MUCH AND YOU ARE EATING TOO FAST. You are also advancing your diet much MUCH too quickly. So quit being stupid about this and SLOW DOWN.
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Post by huskerchad on Jul 2, 2013 9:27:32 GMT -5
"Anything you can tolerate" appears not to include many of these foods at this point. At your stage that is no surprise. Rather than finding out through vomiting what doesn't work, I would strongly recommend you start a bit slower and ease your way into this. Eggs, yogurt, cottage cheese--if you vomit from small amounts of those, you know you have a problem. If you vomit from sausage gravy, watermelon, and meatballs in sauce, there's no way to know if you have a mechanical problem or if you are just eating poorly for someone so early out.
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Post by goodkel on Jul 2, 2013 12:15:08 GMT -5
You're eating too much too fast and too many carbs.
Eat 2-3 small spoonfuls at a time. Some people use toddler spoons to make sure that they are taking small enough bites. Then not another for at least 15-20 minutes.
Did the grilled cheese you ate involve any bread? Skip the veggie soup, too.
It is ok to not eat with meals as long as you still get in all your liquids. Bottom line, if there is not enough room for both, liquids trump food. You do not HAVE to eat. You DO have to drink.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2013 12:58:36 GMT -5
Just because your surgeon said you COULD eat anything, doesn't mean you SHOULD eat anything.
You need to take a couple of steps back and understand exactly what you should be eating -- high protein, low carb. Veggie soup and grilled cheese are definitely not low carb and barely have any protein (except for whatever cheese you had).
Some suggestions -- lunch meat, cheeses, eggs, cottege cheese, yogurt, tuna. Fish is a great choice - easy to eat and high in protein.
This is a marathon - not a sprint. No need to rush things.
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Post by sheanie on Jul 2, 2013 15:09:38 GMT -5
What jpcello (Janet) just said. DITTO. Besides that, our surgeons (most of the time) are clueless as to diet after DS. We are not.
I'm also doubting most of what you say now. Because you first said you were vomiting. Then you back-pedaled and said you weren't vomiting "per se", just acid.
You stated you eat "grilled cheese". Does that mean a grilled cheese sandwich with bread? If so, bread expands in your stomach, which would cause me grief even now. You are still healing, and bread has no place in your meal plan.
Get your head out of "meal" mode. You now will be nibbling all day. Little bites of protein, CHEWED TO DEATH. You have to chew until there is nothing left to swallow. That's the entire problem with your "vomiting", if you are even truly vomiting, "per se".
Read some back posts on this topic. There is much to learn here, even for people who already know everything.
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Post by smokinstella on Jul 2, 2013 18:09:58 GMT -5
You are seriously advancing your diet way to freaking fast. Nuts this early out no freaking way. My surgeon advances people quickly and there is no way he would have cleared me for eating nuts that soon. Your guts are still healing up after you allowed them to get butchered into a new configuration. Cut them some slack and just stick with soft easy to digest food for now. Take your time eating, at this point you should be grazing not trying to eat a "meal". Just a few bites here and a few bites there should be enough as long as your doing that most the day you will be good. Listen to your tummy and stop when you even think you may be getting that full feeling.
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Post by kennyk on Jul 3, 2013 0:46:30 GMT -5
I did a lot of the same type start up you are doing. At 3 and 5 weeks kept trying anything and most times I threw up were my own fault. Almost 3 months out and I can eat almost anything! It gets dramatically better but you may need to back off a bit and ease into some of your foods. One side note all vomit episodes seem past but on occasion I will wake up in bed with like a liquid/acid coming up in my throat. But to be fair I throw up way easier than most after a really bad run from radiation that had me throwing up 15 to 20 times a week for months (now THAT was weight loss!)
I digress, take it slow the time is flying and the changes are unbelievable.
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Post by bradleyp on Jul 3, 2013 2:07:16 GMT -5
I'm going to chime in here. First, Sheanie, please don't be so accusatory and rude.
She wasn't backpedaling, in fact she never said full on vomiting, it was just fluids after she ate.
Secondly, we are all trying to help each other here. I've been reading this forum for months and there's a real big tendency to jump all over someone's case.
Thirdly, she's not sitting down to eat a meal, and she's doing exactly what her surgeon told her to do on several occasions, and considering he has only done 1800 or so of these, I guess he's giving her misinformation.
As I look back, we are keeping a log of what's working and what's not. We are working on portions but most importantly fluids. The sausage gravy and things of the such were not choices, rather they were being served to us at events we have been attending this week. So far she has done real well yesterday and today, with only one small setback due to some broccoli in her soup.
But seriously, some of you should be ashamed of yourselves for the way you talk to others on this forum, especially in this thread. It makes me fear asking questions and advice from you, not wanting an ass chewing.
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Post by goodkel on Jul 3, 2013 3:20:49 GMT -5
I'm going to chime in here. First, Sheanie, please don't be so accusatory and rude. She wasn't backpedaling, in fact she never said full on vomiting, it was just fluids after she ate. Secondly, we are all trying to help each other here. I've been reading this forum for months and there's a real big tendency to jump all over someone's case. Thirdly, she's not sitting down to eat a meal, and she's doing exactly what her surgeon told her to do on several occasions, and considering he has only done 1800 or so of these, I guess he's giving her misinformation. As I look back, we are keeping a log of what's working and what's not. We are working on portions but most importantly fluids. The sausage gravy and things of the such were not choices, rather they were being served to us at events we have been attending this week. So far she has done real well yesterday and today, with only one small setback due to some broccoli in her soup. But seriously, some of you should be ashamed of yourselves for the way you talk to others on this forum, especially in this thread. It makes me fear asking questions and advice from you, not wanting an ass chewing. If you don't like the way someone posts, please make use of the "Ignore" button under their avatar. Sheanie was not being rude. And "being rude" is not against our terms of service, provided at the top of every section. Please read them. Surgeons are great at cutting, but generally had only one class in nutrition long ago. Other than the immediate post op diet, which varies but they all seem to have a handle on what works best ONLY to get their own patients through the first couple of weeks, their nutritional info is useless. Beyond that, MOST surgeons will provide totally incorrect and often downright dangerous nutritional advice. They DO NOT know best.
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Post by ricky136 on Jul 3, 2013 7:24:38 GMT -5
As I look back, we are keeping a log of what's working and what's not. We are working on portions but most importantly fluids. The sausage gravy and things of the such were not choices, rather they were being served to us at events we have been attending this week. So far she has done real well yesterday and today, with only one small setback due to some broccoli in her soup. Everything you eat is your choice. Just because someone served it at a event is no reason to have to eat it! Post op eating so early out is not easy. Stick with the soft stuff and work slowly on new foods. Before long the diet will naturally progress.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2013 7:44:53 GMT -5
Shove off, forum nanny.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2013 13:27:27 GMT -5
Hi Bekka, How are you doing? Have you eased up a bit? I know how it is to want to try new things and be "Normal" but please give your tummy a break. You do not want to cause any damage. Before you know it you will have a more varied diet. Let us know how you are doing. Whit
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Post by Paula on Jul 3, 2013 20:05:01 GMT -5
Unfortunately, Bradley...surgeons are going to tell you what they recommend. But our body after DS will tell us what it wants...and that may directly contradict what our surgeon says we can eat. Just because Surgeon X says eating carbohydrates and dense proteins at <fill in the blank> week's out is okay, it doesn't mean the DS got the message and agrees with what Surgeon X says.
The huge lesson to learn is something that we haven't really done yet, which is listen to our body and follow what it says is the right thing for it. Every single person here was saying way too fast on diet progression for a very good reason. You can't expect a sleeve that has been freshly butchered and sutured to be able to handle digestive business the way it used to initially. Same with intestines that get highly pissed off and extremely butthurt at being sliced and diced the way they are with the DS. Our insides in the first months post-DS are much like those of an infant. We have to give it time to sort itself out and get over it before we start throwing everything and the kitchen sink at our digestive system. Our body speaks by various bodily function (be it gas or vomiting or whatever). We have to learn to listen.
People aren't saying what they say with malice and ill will of heart. It's people who have been there, done that...and yet still reached back to help the next generation of us along. They didn't have to, but they did it anyway because there isn't a whole lot out there on the DS from firsthand experience. The advice we get isn't always wrapped in the pretty paper we want, but we still get the gift anyway even if it doesn't come packaged exactly how we might want. At least we do if we choose to look past the delivery method and embrace the info for what it is deep down...something from the heart that is given freely.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2013 21:07:27 GMT -5
Dang, and here I thought I was doing this because I'm an abusive bitch.
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Post by sheanie on Jul 3, 2013 21:26:59 GMT -5
Well, when I am TRYING to be rude, it's easy to tell. Generally you can smell smoke or the singeing of hair. Normally, I don't even go back and read posts addressing what I wrote, either. And when I drive my car, I don't do it looking in the rear-view mirror either.
My impression of the OP was there were contradictions of fact. These led me to doubt what I initially read, so I went back and re-read everything. Then I read all the OP's posts, which I always do before posting a strongly worded response. What I read led me to doubt the sincerity of the facts. I did not use profanity, name-call, nor was I rude.
And I do not smell singeing of hair nor smoke. I do hear some amateur pyrotechnicians in my immediate neighborhood, but that's to be expected this time of year. Besides, I have not smited anyone in the last month, that I can recall.
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