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Post by pktwatch on Dec 26, 2011 22:39:17 GMT -5
I have not been eating much salad or raw veggies since my ds have you? I have been lots of protein as required and skipping salad but we had a veggie tray go untouched for Christmas. Tonight I decided that I wanted some so I made a plate of cauliflower, carrots, tomatoes and broccoli along with some ranch dip. I had already ate dinner that had a serving of beef brisket and had plenty of other protein for the day.
My question is more how the raw veggies will treat my DS gut...........
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Post by momx4 on Dec 26, 2011 23:00:37 GMT -5
I can't comment on the raw veggies, but I couldn't resist the fruit tray yesterday and other than stopping any hopeful weightloss my gut handled it fine! (dang it, cuz maybe if it didn't I wouldn't still be craving fruit)
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Post by sherbearmama on Dec 26, 2011 23:09:20 GMT -5
I totally wonder how you'll respond to it as well! My doc said no salad until 6-8 weeks--not sure why that was and at when he told me I was distracted by my dad asking questions so I didn't get to ask. I know you're way, way further out than I am. But I'm guessing that if anything will bother you (cause gas or loose stool) it would be the broccoli and cauliflower--those cruciferous veggies upset even a "normal" stomach at times. A friend of mine who's had the DS seems fine with raw veggies but said if she overdoes it on Cauliflower she ends up in the bathroom.
Good luck and keep us posted PLEASE!!!
Sheri
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Post by Sandra C. on Dec 27, 2011 1:15:44 GMT -5
I liked your question, Pktwatch, because I thought raw veggies were not advised till further out than I am. I did some research tonight, found many sites listing the D.S. diet progression. Most do not give an exact week post surgery to begin raw fruit and veggies.
A new site I found tonight is "www.Ask the Dietition.com/gastroin.html" People have asked all kinds of technical questions, which are answered by a nutritionist. Reading this site was very interesting. I plan to ask them many questions about D.S. in the future.
"Bariatrictimes" talks about 6 week cautiously adding foods.
"www.bariatric.us/bariatric-surgery-diet.html" states: "Adding raw foods can take up to 3 months". There seems to be no rush. Keep us posted with your progress. ;-)
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Post by Joanne on Dec 27, 2011 7:32:20 GMT -5
You want to avoid them for at least a few months, because they can be tough on your new healing stomach. I waited 6 months. The other reason is for the first 6 months, at least, your restriction will be very tight and they will take up space you need for protein.
Once further out, I eat plenty of raw veggies and salads, I love them. The best part is that you can use full fat dips, salad dressings, etc. Even the cooked ones are 100x better with plenty of butter!
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Post by Joanne on Dec 27, 2011 7:33:45 GMT -5
I have not been eating much salad or raw veggies since my ds have you? I have been lots of protein as required and skipping salad but we had a veggie tray go untouched for Christmas. Tonight I decided that I wanted some so I made a plate of cauliflower, carrots, tomatoes and broccoli along with some ranch dip. I had already ate dinner that had a serving of beef brisket and had plenty of other protein for the day. My question is more how the raw veggies will treat my DS gut........... PK - Good for you, I would think as long as you got in your protein,and took your first venture with raw veggies slowly, that you will be ok. If your stomach didn't like them you would have found out soon enough  |
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Post by pktwatch on Dec 27, 2011 10:17:10 GMT -5
Well I found out........I had terrible gas. My stomach hurt all night from gas and it woke me up several times. I had the "fluffy poo" this morning but feel better now. Some of it may have been from some sugar items that I ate for Christmas but I did not over do any of that.........I think that I will stay away from raw veggies for awhile longer.
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Post by Joanne on Dec 27, 2011 10:42:22 GMT -5
There you go….
Try again in a few months, I bet you're ok with them in time.
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Post by Seeking Healthy on Dec 27, 2011 10:54:05 GMT -5
I didn't try to many raw veggies until I was further out, like 6 months or so. But be mindful once you do start there will be veggies that may always effect you adversely. I can not do broccoli at all. Veggies that naturally produce gas seem to intensify with the DS. I do eat salads and such with no ill effects. As a matter of fact I get a strong craving for them every once in a while. Probably my body telling me I need something.  I am just very careful about what veggies I am putting on my salad and I always load it with cheese and low carb salad dressing. |
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Post by callmeEJ on Dec 27, 2011 12:35:40 GMT -5
I tried raw broccoli about 6 weeks out. It didn't go well for me. I can do raw veggies sparingly now at a year out, but I tend to limit it to a few bites, not a whole meal.
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Post by abright0 on Dec 28, 2011 0:39:15 GMT -5
I eat raw vegetables all the time. I am almost 5 months out and have been eating them for close to three months now. I have never had a problem, but like with all things DS what is happening for one, is not the rule for another.
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Post by feeder3565 on Dec 28, 2011 1:24:59 GMT -5
It took me 3 years to be able eat a salad. I would try every 4-6 months. Salad seemed to just sit in my gut. Not a pleasant feeling. Raw Veg. Just started eating this at 3 years out too. Don't eat either one to often, maybe once every 2 months. Do eat fruit. Always have, every day. Ds has a mind of it's own. Karen
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Post by wanttolose on Dec 28, 2011 8:30:47 GMT -5
"I really like the "Cornell Weight Loss Surgery Program: Dietary Guidelines for Duodenal Switch Surgery" Their diet progression is stated very clearly. I printed this for my pre-surgery notebook."
Hmmm just read that and much to my surprise it is pretty much the same as their VSG post op plan with slight changes in the supplements. Seems a bit cut and paste to me but what do I know... Maybe they are the same. One other thing, seems that Cornell recommends low fat whereas I read on this (and other) board that DSers can eat a high fat diet?
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Post by Seeking Healthy on Dec 28, 2011 9:26:32 GMT -5
"I really like the "Cornell Weight Loss Surgery Program: Dietary Guidelines for Duodenal Switch Surgery" Their diet progression is stated very clearly. I printed this for my pre-surgery notebook." whereas I read on this (and other) board that DSers can eat a high fat diet? Since DSers only absorb about 20% of their fat intake, everything is low fat for us. Your body needs a certain amount of fat for health and I find if I go low fat my hair and nails dry out more and I have a hard time maintaining bm regularity. |
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Post by shrinkingirl2012 on Dec 28, 2011 9:42:41 GMT -5
Raw Veg are not encouraged for quite a while after surgery becasue they are hard to digest. Many of us forget that since we don't have huge external scars (unless you had an open surgery of course.) BUT I recommend that people take a concentrated fruit and veg product during the months they can't handle raw whole veg. That way you get the phytonutrients you need without the digestion problems. There are many formulations available from pills to dissolvable wafers to powder you add to your water.
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Post by jjthejetplane on Dec 28, 2011 11:44:55 GMT -5
If I eat salad each bite is accompanied by meat or cheese and salad dressing. Usually I eat off the meat and cheese and eggs and all I have left is the lettuce. I recently had cole slaw for the first time and did ok. But I had small bites inbetween protein. It helped my craving for it. Sorry about your gas troubles while experimenting. Sometimes we just don't know until we try.
JJ
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Post by Joanne on Dec 28, 2011 12:09:15 GMT -5
If I eat salad each bite is accompanied by meat or cheese and salad dressing. Usually I eat off the meat and cheese and eggs and all I have left is the lettuce. I recently had cole slaw for the first time and did ok. But I had small bites inbetween protein. It helped my craving for it. Sorry about your gas troubles while experimenting. Sometimes we just don't know until we try. JJ JJ, Good idea, that's still what I do, 2 years later. I order my salads with some type of protein (chicken, steak, eggs, bacon, or at least lots of cheese), and eat all of that, with plenty of dressing….while I pick at the veggies and lettuce. It's the opposite way of eating every salad I' had eaten before my DS |
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Post by sbp7 on Dec 28, 2011 13:16:30 GMT -5
I will order the Grilled Chicken Bacon Ranch salad from McDonald's, take out 75% of the lettuce, and use all the dressing. This gives me high protein from the chicken and bacon and high fat from the dressing without too much else to give me problems.
Even a year out, I consider veggies a waste of valuable space in my stomach.
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Post by jjthejetplane on Dec 29, 2011 19:22:40 GMT -5
Joanne- I love the cracker barrel chef salad I found tons of delicious protein to make each bite count. And it comes with a cheese wedge! Yummy! And you are correct-- Since I spent my whole life on WW this is a whole new way to eat salad. JJ If I eat salad each bite is accompanied by meat or cheese and salad dressing. Usually I eat off the meat and cheese and eggs and all I have left is the lettuce. I recently had cole slaw for the first time and did ok. But I had small bites inbetween protein. It helped my craving for it. Sorry about your gas troubles while experimenting. Sometimes we just don't know until we try. JJ JJ, Good idea, that's still what I do, 2 years later. I order my salads with some type of protein (chicken, steak, eggs, bacon, or at least lots of cheese), and eat all of that, with plenty of dressing….while I pick at the veggies and lettuce. It's the opposite way of eating every salad I' had eaten before my DS |
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Post by shrinkingruthie on Dec 30, 2011 10:49:32 GMT -5
If I eat salad each bite is accompanied by meat or cheese and salad dressing. Usually I eat off the meat and cheese and eggs and all I have left is the lettuce. I recently had cole slaw for the first time and did ok. But I had small bites inbetween protein. It helped my craving for it. Sorry about your gas troubles while experimenting. Sometimes we just don't know until we try. JJ Sounds like the lettece is the delivery mechanism for a bunch of other deliciousness. That is my kind of salad, eat the toppings and dressing, skip the lettece. |
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Post by baileymouse on Dec 30, 2011 12:46:06 GMT -5
I'm 2 years out and I still can't touch cruciferous veggies and spinach. Ouch!
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Post by valgroce on Dec 30, 2011 18:56:33 GMT -5
It took some time before I could digest them well, but nowadays I loves me a good salad
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Post by charlee on Dec 30, 2011 21:39:30 GMT -5
I've been able to do salad for ages and am so glad, because when I crave it, nothing else works. When I make a salad at home, I use baby lettuce/greens, a bit of tomato, feta or gorgonzola, and a lovely balsamic vinaigrette. If I'm feeling it, I add anchovies & kalamata olives with the feta. At a restaurant, I usually get a caesar salad - it's hard to screw up.
I cannot eat the cruciferous veg, raw or cooked. I ate some steamed broccoli with a steak once and damn near died from the gas. Or wanted to anyway - OUCH! I had some potatoes too that same meal, so tried broc again just to see. I saw all right. Simethicone to the rescue! Then I forgot and ate coleslaw. I won't forget again.
Oh - I'm 20 months out.
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Post by Sandra C. on Jan 1, 2012 0:35:16 GMT -5
Would love a salad and dressing. It should be easier to eat than raw cruciferous veggies right? I had no real problems with a few tbsp coleslaw, now at 4 months out.
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I am just very careful about what veggies I am putting on my salad and I always load it with cheese and low carb salad dressing.
