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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2012 22:02:05 GMT -5
Looking at vitamins, Vitalady might be to expensive for me, so I am looking for cheaper alternatives.
Softgels in general seem to be cheaper. Any one have problems taking softgels vs. a dry pill? What is the difference for a DS'er?
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Post by KathyF on Feb 2, 2012 22:10:43 GMT -5
Most softgels are oil based. We malabsorb oil. Therefore it is advised that we take dry, or also known as water miscible, formulas. It is worth your while to spend the extra money to get the dry version.
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Post by clpeltz on Feb 2, 2012 22:11:39 GMT -5
Softgels will not work for a DSer because of our malabsorption. That is why we need DRY forms of the vites. You are not going to find any better deals on Dry A, D or K. You won't find the doses we need anywhere else either. I do get some of my vites from Puritans pride and Costco. I average about $65 a month for vites. Protein is another $50 a month.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2012 22:23:14 GMT -5
Well that explains that!
Thanks!
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Post by smokinstella on Feb 2, 2012 22:56:44 GMT -5
I know you can get dry d and a from amazon. the d is 50.000 iu and the a is 25000 iu. the d cost about 20 bucks for a bottle of 100 and the a is i think around 10 to 15 for a bottle of 100. E and K have been fairly easy for me to find at gnc or vitacost.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2012 10:34:07 GMT -5
I know you can get dry d and a from amazon. the d is 50.000 iu and the a is 25000 iu. the d cost about 20 bucks for a bottle of 100 and the a is i think around 10 to 15 for a bottle of 100. E and K have been fairly easy for me to find at gnc or vitacost. I would not trust dry D or A that is not manufactured by Biotech. If you can get cheaper prices for those exact products, great. If not, beware. You are not necessarily comparing apples to apples if that is the case. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2012 11:00:23 GMT -5
Softgels will not work for a DSer because of our malabsorption. That is why we need DRY forms of the vites. You are not going to find any better deals on Dry A, D or K. You won't find the doses we need anywhere else either. I do get some of my vites from Puritans pride and Costco. I average about $65 a month for vites. Protein is another $50 a month. My new endo disagrees. She says it doesn't have to be DRY, just that "if you don't abosorb oil, don't take softgels that contain oil." SOME softgels contain vegetable cellulose, glycerine and water...and, as far as I can tell, we DO absorb that. |
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Post by smokinstella on Feb 3, 2012 15:30:13 GMT -5
I know you can get dry d and a from amazon. the d is 50.000 iu and the a is 25000 iu. the d cost about 20 bucks for a bottle of 100 and the a is i think around 10 to 15 for a bottle of 100. E and K have been fairly easy for me to find at gnc or vitacost. I would not trust dry D or A that is not manufactured by Biotech. If you can get cheaper prices for those exact products, great. If not, beware. You are not necessarily comparing apples to apples if that is the case. It is from biotech EN  |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2012 18:19:11 GMT -5
I would not trust dry D or A that is not manufactured by Biotech. If you can get cheaper prices for those exact products, great. If not, beware. You are not necessarily comparing apples to apples if that is the case. It is from biotech EN Excellent! |
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Post by mandyb on Feb 3, 2012 18:39:11 GMT -5
I just looked up the D3 on Amazon and one of the reviews states: "Although warnings about the toxic effects of Vitamin D3 have been exaggerated, a daily dose of 50,000 iu Vitamin D3 taken long-term has been shown to frequently induce spillage of calcium into the urine, and, in some individuals, kidney stones. The FDA says the high safe dose of Vitamin D3 is 2000 iu, which is very conservative. Based on recent research, several journal articles argue for daily doses ranging from 2,000 to 5,000 iu daily. None recommend 50,000 iu daily. "
Can anyone explain how this plays out with the DS?
(Please forgive me if this is an ignorant question - I'm just a little out of my mind after my visit with my "bariatric dietician")
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Post by smokinstella on Feb 3, 2012 18:58:38 GMT -5
From what I have learned so far is that with the DS the malabsorption is so high that you need those high doses to compensate for the malabsorption. If I am wrong may a vet correct me. |
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Post by inge on Feb 3, 2012 21:46:59 GMT -5
I just looked up the D3 on Amazon and one of the reviews states: "Although warnings about the toxic effects of Vitamin D3 have been exaggerated, a daily dose of 50,000 iu Vitamin D3 taken long-term has been shown to frequently induce spillage of calcium into the urine, and, in some individuals, kidney stones. The FDA says the high safe dose of Vitamin D3 is 2000 iu, which is very conservative. Based on recent research, several journal articles argue for daily doses ranging from 2,000 to 5,000 iu daily. None recommend 50,000 iu daily. " Can anyone explain how this plays out with the DS? (Please forgive me if this is an ignorant question - I'm just a little out of my mind after my visit with my "bariatric dietician") I bet they are talking about D3 in oil. The dry D3 we do pee out what we don't absorb. Besides when you only absorb part of what you ingest then it can not accumulate in your system. So any time you only absorb 10-20% of it then in order to get that "lower dose" you have to ingest the higher dose. I hope that make some sense. Just keep in mind you do NOT absorb all you take in except for simple carbohydrates (sugar etc) |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2012 22:30:57 GMT -5
I just looked up the D3 on Amazon and one of the reviews states: "Although warnings about the toxic effects of Vitamin D3 have been exaggerated, a daily dose of 50,000 iu Vitamin D3 taken long-term has been shown to frequently induce spillage of calcium into the urine, and, in some individuals, kidney stones. The FDA says the high safe dose of Vitamin D3 is 2000 iu, which is very conservative. Based on recent research, several journal articles argue for daily doses ranging from 2,000 to 5,000 iu daily. None recommend 50,000 iu daily. " Can anyone explain how this plays out with the DS? (Please forgive me if this is an ignorant question - I'm just a little out of my mind after my visit with my "bariatric dietician") I think they are referring to the Rx D which is in oil and is actually D2. The FDA is talking about 'normal' people not a DSer or a CF patient or even someone with 'short bowel syndrome'. We have similarities to a person with short bowel syndrome and NEED that much D. After 6 years of 100,000 to 150,000ius of dry D3 daily, I have had none of the above problems but I KNOW that if my D level would have stayed at <6 for 6 years, I would have some serious problems. |
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Post by Sandra C. on Feb 3, 2012 23:20:48 GMT -5
I use AquADEKs. Works great for me.
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Post by mandyb on Feb 4, 2012 1:01:00 GMT -5
Thanks for the input!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2012 10:28:22 GMT -5
I use AquADEKs. Works great for me. Do you have to supplement extra A & D with the Aquadeks? When I was a new post-op they did not have Aquadeks, they made a chewable called ADEK. They were so expensive per dose and had, I think, 800ius of D, that is when I went to individual vites. Trying to get enough D from the ADEK's was impossible. Are you taking them as a multi? 2x a day? |
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Post by Sandra C. on Feb 4, 2012 21:52:49 GMT -5
Here's my vit list from my surgeons group:
AquADEKs / 1 a day( D3=800)
Celebrate Multivitamin- 3 caps/day( D=1000)
B-1
B-12-sublingual
Iron/C- 1 pill, or 1 iron/C chew - day
Calcium Citrate- Petites pills, or Calcet Creamy bites, or calcium fruit chews
Fiber Gummies( my preferred fiber)
My surgeon told me he loaded me up with extra 'D"( 30,000 a day for 2 months, too much they told me after my numbers remained too high up to 4 months post surgery) before surgery to insure I had plenty during my recovery.
I have been limited for "D" since before surgery because I had too much stored. They advised me not to take any more added "D" for now. My "D" number returned to a normal level about 2 months ago. My next blood work is due monday, my vits may change with these results. Currently don't take any extra "A". I have 2 internists working on my blood test results, also taking Synthroid, Adderall and Prilosec. I am being taken care of by many doctors and specialists for other issues.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2012 23:40:51 GMT -5
Here's my vit list from my surgeons group: AquADEKs / 1 a day( D3=800) Celebrate Multivitamin- 3 caps/day( D=1000) B-1 B-12-sublingual Iron/C- 1 pill, or 1 iron/C chew - day Calcium Citrate- Petites pills, or Calcet Creamy bites, or calcium fruit chews Fiber Gummies( my preferred fiber) My surgeon told me he loaded me up with extra 'D" before surgery to insure I had plenty during my recovery. I have been limited for "D" since before surgery because I had too much stored. They advised me not to take any more added "D" for now. My "D" number returned to a normal level about 2 months ago. My next blood work is due monday, my vits may change with these results. Currently don't take any extra "A". I have 2 internists working on my blood test results, also taking Synthroid, Adderall and Prilosec. I am being taken care of by many doctors and specialists. I am happy for you that you don't have trouble with D. So many of us do have trouble keeping it up to a high normal level. (80) I was low pre-op and stayed low for a long time until I found some vets with great advice. I had a few different RD's, but ended up firing them as they were not interested in learning about malabsorption issues with the DS although after being under their care for over a year my D did climb to 14. lol I am probably going to start taking an additional 50,000ius again if my next labs trend downward again. I don't have or need many doctors and specialists anymore and I am very happy about that! |
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Post by mooney on Feb 5, 2012 1:56:41 GMT -5
Not all softgels are oil based. We can take softgels if they are water miscible. "Dry" vitamins doesn't mean that they are actually dry pills - just that they are not oil based and dissolve and are absorbed with water instead of oil.
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Post by Sandra C. on Feb 5, 2012 10:18:28 GMT -5
The AquADEKs have water, glycerin, and corn oil. They were suggested by my D.S. surgeons nut. I have been using them for 2 months. We'll see after my next labs if any changes are necessary.
"D" is in everything these days, difficult to avoid it. I looked into the calcium options I have here, found "D" is in them all. The Cal Citrate Petites pills have 250 D each, my suggested calcium is 1800 or more, 9 pills a day=2000 calcium, 1750 D. I prefer to take the fruit chew calcium citrate, but it has less "D" than the Petites.
"D" is fat soluble, stored in the fat, building up over time. Taking too high a dose over a long period of time may have some unhealthy effects. Research toxic "D" and watch for symptoms. I am particularly concerned about mental changes due to high doses of "D". I am going to use my labs to determine supplement amounts to take.
I wish I were healthy enough not to need specialists. My specialists are covering many different ailments I currently have. For 20 years I didn't go to any doctors. My symptoms were so severe last year I had to look into them. The tests revealed uterine cancer( 100% removed, cancer free). Now my hospital based PCP sends me off to the best people he knows to analyze my symptoms. With my health history and the D.S. and malabsorbtion I'm not handling my health care by myself.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2012 11:07:13 GMT -5
I am also cancer-free from the same type as you it sounds like.
I had 4 specialists for that as I was pregnant at the time and they wanted me to abort and I refused. The baby is born and they do surgery the next day. These specialists only took out part of the cancer and then the hospital somehow mixed up my removed organs with someone else's. It was a traumatic time for me and I did have to have a second surgery (with different doctors)
It did serve a purpose, I will never again let the doctor decide and I will always get second opinions and research my surgeons.
Good luck to you and may all your health problems be resolved!
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Post by Sandra C. on Feb 5, 2012 16:02:46 GMT -5
Second opinions are a good idea. You did have a tough traumatic time!!!
during my first pregnancy, I was hospitalized the last 2 months due to a tear of the main vein under my arm. The doctors alluded to amputation, but I wouldn't let them. The meds to dissolve the blood clot couldn't be used during my pregnancy, I still have it. Traumatic time for me too. We share in both situations a bit.
Hope you stay healthy too!!!
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