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Post by cherylbaker on Dec 5, 2014 10:31:39 GMT -5
And how many calories would you say qualify for "not starving yourself" I make sure I hit more than 1200 calories a day. I am only 5 months out and I can still get full eating a yogurt or 2-3 meatballs. Big meals are impossible for me. I focus on no more than 50 carbs a day (coming from plants) and I do not care how much fat I eat. I am a huge fan of cheese and it is a staple in my house. See my problem is i CAN eat A LOT..
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Post by newyorkbitch on Dec 5, 2014 11:09:19 GMT -5
I make sure I hit more than 1200 calories a day. I am only 5 months out and I can still get full eating a yogurt or 2-3 meatballs. Big meals are impossible for me. I focus on no more than 50 carbs a day (coming from plants) and I do not care how much fat I eat. I am a huge fan of cheese and it is a staple in my house. See my problem is i CAN eat A LOT.. So eat more protein and fat!!
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Post by goodkel on Dec 5, 2014 12:30:28 GMT -5
Yes that is kind of a guideline but that could be as little as little as 1000 calories to who knows 2000 or 3000 calories.. a 1000 calorie meal plan cannot be equal to a 3000 meal plan. As for me. Well pre ds i weighted 279lbs currently at 5 months i weight 211. Its not totally the weight loss that has me stressed as it is the inability to find an eating plan i can stick with. You have lost 68 lbs in 5 months….that is wonderful. You have every reason to be satisfied with your DS thus far. But you are ignoring the advice of the experienced vets here and I am not sure why. You do not need an "eating plan" that counts calories and you have to stop that kind of thinking if you are going to be healthy and successful. It doesn't matter how many calories….you just need to stick to 150g of protein, 50g of carbs…just what I said in my post. However many calories that ends up being is fine, whatever it is. You are still very much in the head of "diet" and you need to work on that. The DS brought me freedom from all of that oppressive thinking. I haven't been on a meal plan or a diet in 14.5 years….I will be 15 years post DS in March. If you are back to eating spaghetti/rice/bread then yes your loss is going to slow - but guess what - eventually it's going to slow anyway and that is NORMAL as you get further and further out from surgery. But you have to control the carbs - that is the key to weight loss during the first couple of years. But Cheryl I urge you to stop with the calorie counting - STOP. Worry about 150g of protein and 40-50g of carbs, and make those carbs complex carbs. Drink at least 64oz of water every day and take all your vites. Are you in therapy? I think you could use some help dealing with your eating and food issues - I know I sure did during the first couple of years. You have to stop being afraid of food. The DS means you don't have to diet and be afraid of food and calories ever again. You have to learn to embrace that, and shed your old ways of thinking about food. What would an "eating plan" look like for you? You mean like a specific diet? If you need that, then create it - figure out what 150g of protein is and what 40-50g of complex carbs is and write that down in an eating plan, and then add to it - add dairy, other fats, cooked veggies…like for example create a few breakfasts that contain 20g of protein and 10g of complex carbs. Are you drinking protein shakes? How many g of protein and carbs in the shakes? Ditto this.
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Post by goodkel on Dec 5, 2014 12:32:48 GMT -5
I make sure I hit more than 1200 calories a day. I am only 5 months out and I can still get full eating a yogurt or 2-3 meatballs. Big meals are impossible for me. I focus on no more than 50 carbs a day (coming from plants) and I do not care how much fat I eat. I am a huge fan of cheese and it is a staple in my house. See my problem is i CAN eat A LOT.. So go ahead and eat a lot. As long as you restrict it to protein and fat, you can't eat too much.
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Post by newyorkbitch on Dec 5, 2014 12:58:36 GMT -5
You have lost 68 lbs in 5 months….that is wonderful. You have every reason to be satisfied with your DS thus far. But you are ignoring the advice of the experienced vets here and I am not sure why. You do not need an "eating plan" that counts calories and you have to stop that kind of thinking if you are going to be healthy and successful. It doesn't matter how many calories….you just need to stick to 150g of protein, 50g of carbs…just what I said in my post. However many calories that ends up being is fine, whatever it is. You are still very much in the head of "diet" and you need to work on that. The DS brought me freedom from all of that oppressive thinking. I haven't been on a meal plan or a diet in 14.5 years….I will be 15 years post DS in March. If you are back to eating spaghetti/rice/bread then yes your loss is going to slow - but guess what - eventually it's going to slow anyway and that is NORMAL as you get further and further out from surgery. But you have to control the carbs - that is the key to weight loss during the first couple of years. But Cheryl I urge you to stop with the calorie counting - STOP. Worry about 150g of protein and 40-50g of carbs, and make those carbs complex carbs. Drink at least 64oz of water every day and take all your vites. Are you in therapy? I think you could use some help dealing with your eating and food issues - I know I sure did during the first couple of years. You have to stop being afraid of food. The DS means you don't have to diet and be afraid of food and calories ever again. You have to learn to embrace that, and shed your old ways of thinking about food. What would an "eating plan" look like for you? You mean like a specific diet? If you need that, then create it - figure out what 150g of protein is and what 40-50g of complex carbs is and write that down in an eating plan, and then add to it - add dairy, other fats, cooked veggies…like for example create a few breakfasts that contain 20g of protein and 10g of complex carbs. Are you drinking protein shakes? How many g of protein and carbs in the shakes? Yes i drink a protein shake with 2 scoops of unflavored unjury made with almond milk cocoa and stevia. Like 43 grams protein... i just feel if left without a calorie max i could eat way way way to much. I do hate food and eat the same things and am bored of them.. I have an eating plan set ahead of time each day but then i dont feel like eating that and someone in the house will have sonething carb full and ib eat that. . I really think though that the problem is my 4 grandkids moved in and so all of a sudden the house is full of the carbs and my plan was to just get through this without gaining weight til they leave but everyday i learn more that chances are not good of them leaving as soon as was originally presented to us. So now i am scrambling to try and find an eating plan i can live with with all these carbs around. . And yes i have a therapist for my problem with food but that also is a long journey You have to come up with loads of satisfying foods that are not carbs, and have them around all the time. Cheese, salami, avocado like guacamole with carrot, cucumber and celery sticks. Etc etc. And also - your grandkids don't need tons of simple carbs, it's bad for them too. I have an almost-4 year old and he eats a lot of complex carbs right along with me. If your family wants to live with you, they will have to be considerate of your needs too. And you MUST learn to eat what your body needs and NOT the simple carbs.
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Post by jpcello on Dec 5, 2014 16:29:59 GMT -5
Cheryl, can I make a suggestion? By limiting yourself to 2000 calories, you may be starving yourself. That could be another reason your weight loss has slowed. Let me explain -- if you are eating 2000 calories and you only absorb 50-60% of what you eat because of malabsorption, then you are only really getting 1000-1200 calories. Granted the percentage of malabsorption varies but you definitely malabsorb if you had the DS (which you did). 1000-1200 calories is not nearly enough. Your body thinks you're starving it so it's holding onto everything you put in your mouth.
We're trying to give you the guidelines you seem to need. Guidelines are 150 grams of protein, 50 grams of carbs, and 64 ounces (minimum) of water per day. Nothing else matters. The discussion on fat varies - some people eat extra fat to keep them "regular" and help with constipation.
How much you eat doesn't matter. It's what you eat that matters. I eat an enormous amount of food and yet I'm able to maintain my weight loss for the last 10 years. February I will be 12 years post-op and I never once counted calories.
Please think about what we are saying here. We're not blasting you, we're trying to help you.
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Post by Simba on Dec 5, 2014 16:47:01 GMT -5
Sorry i did have them reversed. 5% was carbs. I was soo excited when i first started this journey. First cause after gaining weight back after my rny i finally grlt hopefull. Second i had a friend who was doing it the same time so i wouldn't be alone and third cause i love meat and thought it would be easy to stick to the diet. Well a month after surgery my friend moved away. Than the weight loss slowed and now i am sick of meat and want carbs. . Rice spaghetti bread .. sigh. I DO NOT like not having a cslorie guide. I DO NOT like that there is no nutritionist who knows amything about this surgery. I have scale goals and I feel hopeless that i will not reach them if i do not find an eating plan i csn live with. 11lbs to my first goal which i wanted to hit by 6 months and not going to make it. This has me frustrated. My eating goal is 1200 calories 120grams of protein 30 grams carbs and whatever fat happens to wind up at. I used to have no problems with this (actually i used to have no problems with even a stricter plan but now even have a problem with this).. but then i look at it and think even being generous after malansorption it comes to around 650 calories.. how the weight cannot be pouring off me is frustrating.. I hate it when people say dont count calories. I need a guideline. . I feel i absorb all my calories or why else would the weight not be pouring off me. This isca daily struggle feeling so lost and out of control. Sorry i come here and whine but i am trying people need to understand that yes losing weight after having a revision, or in your case a conversion is very exciting. There is nothing wrong with counting calories, and I understand you need that, but dont say I am going to eat " number of calories" go to myfitness pal do a few days of 120gm protein, 30 gm of COMPLEX carbs, see how many calories that is and I understand you need a guideline, personally I hate counting measuring, weighing i did that for years. -no simple carbs and this early I personally wouldnt eat that many carbs complex or simple, not with 1200 calories, and not his early in the PO time, depending on the complex carb that is about 20% of your total intake. You really have to optimize your weight loss the first 18-24 months and attempt to go as low as you can, you are now at the best and easiest time in your surgery to lose weight, in about 1.5 years you may be gaining, so be very careful. People are telling you to eat more protein so you stay away from those killer carbs, fill up on fats/protein so you dont have room for carbs, work with you DS and maximize your weight loss. Weight loss will never be as easy as it is for you now. at about 2 years your vsg will double in size, yes double in size, what will you do then? you have to do what is best for you
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Post by amydroe on Dec 5, 2014 19:58:33 GMT -5
Sorry i did have them reversed. 5% was carbs. I was soo excited when i first started this journey. First cause after gaining weight back after my rny i finally grlt hopefull. Second i had a friend who was doing it the same time so i wouldn't be alone and third cause i love meat and thought it would be easy to stick to the diet. Well a month after surgery my friend moved away. Than the weight loss slowed and now i am sick of meat and want carbs. . Rice spaghetti bread .. sigh. I DO NOT like not having a cslorie guide. I DO NOT like that there is no nutritionist who knows amything about this surgery. I have scale goals and I feel hopeless that i will not reach them if i do not find an eating plan i csn live with. 11lbs to my first goal which i wanted to hit by 6 months and not going to make it. This has me frustrated. My eating goal is 1200 calories 120grams of protein 30 grams carbs and whatever fat happens to wind up at. I used to have no problems with this (actually i used to have no problems with even a stricter plan but now even have a problem with this).. but then i look at it and think even being generous after malansorption it comes to around 650 calories.. how the weight cannot be pouring off me is frustrating.. I hate it when people say dont count calories. I need a guideline. . I feel i absorb all my calories or why else would the weight not be pouring off me. This isca daily struggle feeling so lost and out of control. Sorry i come here and whine but i am trying people need to understand that I don't log on here enough anymore to be a part of this convo but yet I feel like i need to say something. Cheryl, I am the queen of learning the hard way. Ask around I am a few months ahead of you is all so I can so relate to the boredom with food. It sucks sometimes. And it gets old. And I am a CARB LOVING FOOL! and SUGAR! I can eat it alllllllll day. Everyday! It is my thing. My downfall. Takes every ounce of willpower I have to go one single hour without it. I'm not exaggerating. And, it has got no easier since surgery. So, I do get it. Also, you are like me in the way that you want to have control over something...any damn thing! I get that too, but I promise you will not win a darn thing by choosing calories over carbs to control. It will win you nothing. I promise. You will win your battle with control if you use My Fitness Pal (or whatever you want) and eat 150g protein and 50g carbs. Have you just tried it for one week? not 40g carbs, but 50. It works like a charm for me. If I follow this I will lose weight. I feel like we have had to figure so much out all of our lives that we just can't believe that it could be as easy and TWO THINGS....150g PROTEIN and 50g CARBS. Not one more not one less. It works. Like a charm. But you have to count them all. And if I don't eat them all, I don't lose. As a matter a fact, the more I eat, the more I lose. It's maddening at first! I have been on here a dozen times bitching about why I just can't lose. I'm stuck, I'm at a stall, I've broke my DS...the list goes on and on. Go back in the history and you will see. Once I was not counting my damn breath mints and sugar free Russel Stover candy on My Fitness Pal. I was eating 100 carbs a day! Easy fix there. Put EVERYTHING into MFP. I have not lost a pound in 3 weeks and guess what. I am not stuck or broke, I am weak. I eat shit. It's hard with all of the yummies for the holidays around. I have lost over 100 pounds and every one of them was following the 150/50 guidelines. I really hope you will, at least for a week or two, try the 150/50 and count every last thing that goes into your mouth. I know that it will give you the results that you want. Here are some things that help get me through my sugar and carb cravings. I have a bar of Ghridelli (sp) or Lindt 85% dark chocolate bar on me at all times. ALL TIMES! I sometimes freeze it I let it get soft. I eat it with coffee, or with pbutter. I chop it and add it to a protein shake. Whatever makes my little heart happy. I go through one bar a week. And it does not stall my loss at all. I have a piece of ww toast every single day at 9:00am. I smother it with real butter and sometimes pb sometimes cream cheese. I've recently fallen in love topping this with a half a mashed avacado and one soft boiled egg chopped. SO GOOD. Again whatever makes my little heart happy. Sometimes I have a half a sweet baked potato with 3 butters. LOVE THIS. Rotisserie chicken is my LOVE. I get it a costco and it is my go to. I dip it in a little bbq or wasabi mustard or horseradish or whatever! I throw peppers and onions and spices in the crock and then add the chicken after they are done. DELISH. Anyway, the moral of the story is that I eat enough calories for 3-4 of my coworkers and I, NOT THEM, have lost 100 pounds. I have big eating days, trust me. But it does not scare me to eat a lot. and really it does not scare me to eat a lot of carbs because I do not gain a single pound. I know it will not always be that way, but today it is. I only get disappointed in myself for not giving it my all and using this tool as it was meant to be. BOOOOOOO ME! SO this was not meant to be that long! I just hate that you are struggling. I hope you find your way. It's not hard, it's just different. Good luck! Amy
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Post by amydroe on Dec 5, 2014 20:15:10 GMT -5
Last Wednesday my school does a potluck and in the past I have always participated. This year I chose not to because I am watching what I eat. My close friends know this. So coworkers sought me out later that day and the conversation was about weight. Coworkers: Well how much have you lost? Me: Enough. (Really none of their business) Coworkers: How much more do you plan to lose? Me: I like another 40 pounds Coworkers: 40 pounds - you can't do that - you won't be healthy. Give me a freaking break! Besides going into talking about low carb diet and how I am not eating stuffing (dressing) this Thanksgiving and my butt will be in the gym both Thursday and Friday (which I did) I am following the rules for the DS. God do I love this surgery! Hands down was the best decision I could ever make. The first picture is from February 2014 (this is what my coworkers are used to seeing for the last 5 years) and the second taken yesterday - 9 months later. Our weight loss goal I believe is very personal. Greenbaum said 150 would be normal for me, but last week's visit. He made the comment "he did know if I would get there". I wish I knew what he meant. But I am not going to dwell on it. I turn 49 this year and I am not on any other medication other than vitamins. If I can be healthier as I age and miss the heart disease and type II diabetes that plagues my family - then I will be very fortunate. I would like to get to a number that I agree with and that I am comfortable in my own skin. I not there yet, but only 5 months post op - THIS ISN'T BAD. It has been a great ride and I am ready for more of the journey. I am in the gym 3-4 times a week and I work with a trainer once a month. I am doing 45 minutes of cardio and 30 minutes of strength training each time. I can see a difference in my arms and in my legs. I feel great! You know that muscle takes up less volume in the body than fat. So when do you know when you there is enough weight loss? When you meet your goal or just let the DS do its job and see what you could lose? Cindy, YOU LOOK AMAZING!!!!! Way to go! I am getting the same thing. People telling me to stop losing and that I'm good where I am. I know that I need to lose about another 30 at the least. Isn't it just crazy what has happened to us over the past several months! Wild ride to say the least! Keep on kicking butt!
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Post by goodkel on Dec 5, 2014 21:34:24 GMT -5
You have no calorie max. Only a carb max.
It is healthier for the kids, too, to reduce the amount of carbs they eat.
Breakfast: scrambled eggs & bacon Lunch: PB&J for the kids, a yogurt and cheese cubes for you Dinner: Meat/fish, a veggie, and a complex carb.
Keep plenty of fruit on hand for them to snack on: apples, raisins, grapes, even cans of pineapple chunks (sprinkle cake sprinkles on them --they'll love it)
Set a good example for them of healthy eating.
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Post by cherylbaker on Dec 5, 2014 21:54:38 GMT -5
You have no calorie max. Only a carb max. It is healthier for the kids, too, to reduce the amount of carbs they eat. Breakfast: scrambled eggs & bacon Lunch: PB&J for the kids, a yogurt and cheese cubes for you Dinner: Meat/fish, a veggie, and a complex carb. Keep plenty of fruit on hand for them to snack on: apples, raisins, grapes, even cans of pineapple chunks (sprinkle cake sprinkles on them --they'll love it) Set a good example for them of healthy eating. And if i could eat that little and not be starving to death and be a total bitch that would be awsome
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Post by newyorkbitch on Dec 5, 2014 21:57:05 GMT -5
You have no calorie max. Only a carb max. It is healthier for the kids, too, to reduce the amount of carbs they eat. Breakfast: scrambled eggs & bacon Lunch: PB&J for the kids, a yogurt and cheese cubes for you Dinner: Meat/fish, a veggie, and a complex carb. Keep plenty of fruit on hand for them to snack on: apples, raisins, grapes, even cans of pineapple chunks (sprinkle cake sprinkles on them --they'll love it) Set a good example for them of healthy eating. And if i could eat that little and not be starving to death and be a total bitch that would be awsome She didn't mean eat only that. She was giving you some examples of meals you could eat with the kids. You can add to it and snack too. You should eat 5 meals a day.
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Post by goodkel on Dec 6, 2014 0:14:10 GMT -5
You have no calorie max. Only a carb max. It is healthier for the kids, too, to reduce the amount of carbs they eat. Breakfast: scrambled eggs & bacon Lunch: PB&J for the kids, a yogurt and cheese cubes for you Dinner: Meat/fish, a veggie, and a complex carb. Keep plenty of fruit on hand for them to snack on: apples, raisins, grapes, even cans of pineapple chunks (sprinkle cake sprinkles on them --they'll love it) Set a good example for them of healthy eating. And if i could eat that little and not be starving to death and be a total bitch that would be awsome While the kids are snacking all day on fruits, you'll be noshing on hard boiled eggs, cheese, nuts, and jerky. you are not supposed to go hungry. When you are hungry, eat. Just make it protein and fat.
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Post by historytracker on Dec 6, 2014 0:48:25 GMT -5
See my problem is i CAN eat A LOT.. So go ahead and eat a lot. As long as you restrict it to protein and fat, you can't eat too much. Yes - I agree and I eat more small meals of protein. I make sure I get in at least 120-150 a day. It is just that I get full. I do not drink for about an hour after eating and these are the rules that I follow.
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Post by historytracker on Dec 6, 2014 0:57:28 GMT -5
[/quote]Cindy,
YOU LOOK AMAZING!!!!!
Way to go!
I am getting the same thing. People telling me to stop losing and that I'm good where I am. I know that I need to lose about another 30 at the least.
Isn't it just crazy what has happened to us over the past several months! Wild ride to say the least!
Keep on kicking butt![/quote]
Thank you. I love the comments about looking great, but do not tell me to stop losing. I want to get down to a healthier weight and between myself and my primary doctor (see her in the AM and she has stopped riding my ass about my weight!) I will get to a number that I feel comfortable. I know people tell me I do not look like I weigh this much. Muscle takes up less volume that fat. I am leaner and for that I am grateful. I have more energy. Good luck in your weight loss. Life is good!
Cindy
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Post by historytracker on Dec 6, 2014 1:00:46 GMT -5
Cheryl: I read your post about bored with food. I needed to learn how to cook again (low carb). Check out www.pinterest.com and search for low carb recipes. You would be amazed at the choices and what people have done to replace carbs. We can make pizza crust from cauliflower and eggs, cream cheese and more cheese! I brought my deep dish casserole pizza to school for a party for my FBLA students. The loved it and didn't even know it was low carb. Food is great. I do think about the calories, just the carb intake.
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Post by historytracker on Dec 6, 2014 7:42:00 GMT -5
Following the rules for DS is wonderful. I got on the scale today and lost 3 pounds. I can't believe it and have been in a fluctation for a few weeks and this was worth it. My blood work came back and Dr. Greenbaum wasn't too concerned about my prealbumin being a little low. I have an appointment with my primary doctor and I am bringing the lab results with me and I am sure she will draw even more blood. I have the list of blood work that DS patients should have and I have the list of vitamins with dosages that I am taking for her to put in my chart.
Christmas party for Dr. G is tonight. I am driving down and booked myself at the Westin. Loved those heavenly beds and I will work out in the gym tomorrow and maybe rent myself a good movie tonight. I am not even going to think about work. This will be fun tonight. She you later Kelly!
I will post pics of Kelly and I late tomorow.
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Post by newyorkbitch on Dec 6, 2014 8:07:13 GMT -5
Cindy, you should be concerned about your pre albumin - if it's low you want to eat more protein. You should aim for 150g minimum per day.
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Post by goodkel on Dec 6, 2014 14:59:10 GMT -5
Cindy, you should be concerned about your pre albumin - if it's low you want to eat more protein. You should aim for 150g minimum per day. I agree. Building muscle requires more protein. The protein guidelines we post are the bare minimum. They work fine for sloths like me, but with the workouts you do, you need to go much higher.
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Post by goodkel on Dec 6, 2014 15:42:33 GMT -5
Sorry i did have them reversed. 5% was carbs. I was soo excited when i first started this journey. First cause after gaining weight back after my rny i finally grlt hopefull. Second i had a friend who was doing it the same time so i wouldn't be alone and third cause i love meat and thought it would be easy to stick to the diet. Well a month after surgery my friend moved away. Than the weight loss slowed and now i am sick of meat and want carbs. . Rice spaghetti bread .. sigh. I DO NOT like not having a cslorie guide. I DO NOT like that there is no nutritionist who knows amything about this surgery. I have scale goals and I feel hopeless that i will not reach them if i do not find an eating plan i csn live with. 11lbs to my first goal which i wanted to hit by 6 months and not going to make it. This has me frustrated. My eating goal is 1200 calories 120grams of protein 30 grams carbs and whatever fat happens to wind up at. I used to have no problems with this (actually i used to have no problems with even a stricter plan but now even have a problem with this).. but then i look at it and think even being generous after malansorption it comes to around 650 calories.. how the weight cannot be pouring off me is frustrating.. I hate it when people say dont count calories. I need a guideline. . I feel i absorb all my calories or why else would the weight not be pouring off me. This isca daily struggle feeling so lost and out of control. Sorry i come here and whine but i am trying people need to understand that I don't log on here enough anymore to be a part of this convo but yet I feel like i need to say something. Cheryl, I am the queen of learning the hard way. Ask around I am a few months ahead of you is all so I can so relate to the boredom with food. It sucks sometimes. And it gets old. And I am a CARB LOVING FOOL! and SUGAR! I can eat it alllllllll day. Everyday! It is my thing. My downfall. Takes every ounce of willpower I have to go one single hour without it. I'm not exaggerating. And, it has got no easier since surgery. So, I do get it. Also, you are like me in the way that you want to have control over something...any damn thing! I get that too, but I promise you will not win a darn thing by choosing calories over carbs to control. It will win you nothing. I promise. You will win your battle with control if you use My Fitness Pal (or whatever you want) and eat 150g protein and 50g carbs. Have you just tried it for one week? not 40g carbs, but 50. It works like a charm for me. If I follow this I will lose weight. I feel like we have had to figure so much out all of our lives that we just can't believe that it could be as easy and TWO THINGS....150g PROTEIN and 50g CARBS. Not one more not one less. It works. Like a charm. But you have to count them all. And if I don't eat them all, I don't lose. As a matter a fact, the more I eat, the more I lose. It's maddening at first! I have been on here a dozen times bitching about why I just can't lose. I'm stuck, I'm at a stall, I've broke my DS...the list goes on and on. Go back in the history and you will see. Once I was not counting my damn breath mints and sugar free Russel Stover candy on My Fitness Pal. I was eating 100 carbs a day! Easy fix there. Put EVERYTHING into MFP. I have not lost a pound in 3 weeks and guess what. I am not stuck or broke, I am weak. I eat shit. It's hard with all of the yummies for the holidays around. I have lost over 100 pounds and every one of them was following the 150/50 guidelines. I really hope you will, at least for a week or two, try the 150/50 and count every last thing that goes into your mouth. I know that it will give you the results that you want. Here are some things that help get me through my sugar and carb cravings. I have a bar of Ghridelli (sp) or Lindt 85% dark chocolate bar on me at all times. ALL TIMES! I sometimes freeze it I let it get soft. I eat it with coffee, or with pbutter. I chop it and add it to a protein shake. Whatever makes my little heart happy. I go through one bar a week. And it does not stall my loss at all. I have a piece of ww toast every single day at 9:00am. I smother it with real butter and sometimes pb sometimes cream cheese. I've recently fallen in love topping this with a half a mashed avacado and one soft boiled egg chopped. SO GOOD. Again whatever makes my little heart happy. Sometimes I have a half a sweet baked potato with 3 butters. LOVE THIS. Rotisserie chicken is my LOVE. I get it a costco and it is my go to. I dip it in a little bbq or wasabi mustard or horseradish or whatever! I throw peppers and onions and spices in the crock and then add the chicken after they are done. DELISH. Anyway, the moral of the story is that I eat enough calories for 3-4 of my coworkers and I, NOT THEM, have lost 100 pounds. I have big eating days, trust me. But it does not scare me to eat a lot. and really it does not scare me to eat a lot of carbs because I do not gain a single pound. I know it will not always be that way, but today it is. I only get disappointed in myself for not giving it my all and using this tool as it was meant to be. BOOOOOOO ME! SO this was not meant to be that long! I just hate that you are struggling. I hope you find your way. It's not hard, it's just different. Good luck! Amy LOVE this post, Amy and to hear how well you are doing! And your new avatar, too. You look so lovely and elegant. Please keep coming back, there are plenty of people here who will be helped and inspired by your success.
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Post by cherylbaker on Dec 6, 2014 16:03:55 GMT -5
I wanto thank you all for your msgs.. all the things you said is how i have been living (well except i was counting my calories and made sure i didnt go much over 1200. Was doing 100 to 120 grams protein and 15 grams of carbs and whatever fat happens to be in my food. Occasionally i would make a fat bomb to have something chocolate. I guess having the kids around made me realize how much yummy food I was missing. All the carbs I would not eat. Someone sometime said they were buying some high cocoa candy bar purchased at Aldi's saying for some reason it was a good one. Everytime I walk by the candy bars there I think about buying one but I just feel it would be too tempting to have a whole bar around. Im really burnt out on low carb. I do have recepies I make that are low carb but it is really hard making 3 meals at supper (me low carb hubby low fat and the kids whatever i can get them to eat). I keep thinking my 1200 calories might not be enough but it is sooo baked into my soul to eat 1200 or less calories it is hard to eat over that and not feel bad. . Also I am not ignoring or going against the vets advise I am doing the best I can and am trying really hard. .
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Post by newyorkbitch on Dec 6, 2014 16:31:52 GMT -5
You need 150g protein and 50g of carbs. What is hard to understand about that?
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Post by amydroe on Dec 6, 2014 18:32:56 GMT -5
I don't log on here enough anymore to be a part of this convo but yet I feel like i need to say something. Cheryl, I am the queen of learning the hard way. Ask around I am a few months ahead of you is all so I can so relate to the boredom with food. It sucks sometimes. And it gets old. And I am a CARB LOVING FOOL! and SUGAR! I can eat it alllllllll day. Everyday! It is my thing. My downfall. Takes every ounce of willpower I have to go one single hour without it. I'm not exaggerating. And, it has got no easier since surgery. So, I do get it. Also, you are like me in the way that you want to have control over something...any damn thing! I get that too, but I promise you will not win a darn thing by choosing calories over carbs to control. It will win you nothing. I promise. You will win your battle with control if you use My Fitness Pal (or whatever you want) and eat 150g protein and 50g carbs. Have you just tried it for one week? not 40g carbs, but 50. It works like a charm for me. If I follow this I will lose weight. I feel like we have had to figure so much out all of our lives that we just can't believe that it could be as easy and TWO THINGS....150g PROTEIN and 50g CARBS. Not one more not one less. It works. Like a charm. But you have to count them all. And if I don't eat them all, I don't lose. As a matter a fact, the more I eat, the more I lose. It's maddening at first! I have been on here a dozen times bitching about why I just can't lose. I'm stuck, I'm at a stall, I've broke my DS...the list goes on and on. Go back in the history and you will see. Once I was not counting my damn breath mints and sugar free Russel Stover candy on My Fitness Pal. I was eating 100 carbs a day! Easy fix there. Put EVERYTHING into MFP. I have not lost a pound in 3 weeks and guess what. I am not stuck or broke, I am weak. I eat shit. It's hard with all of the yummies for the holidays around. I have lost over 100 pounds and every one of them was following the 150/50 guidelines. I really hope you will, at least for a week or two, try the 150/50 and count every last thing that goes into your mouth. I know that it will give you the results that you want. Here are some things that help get me through my sugar and carb cravings. I have a bar of Ghridelli (sp) or Lindt 85% dark chocolate bar on me at all times. ALL TIMES! I sometimes freeze it I let it get soft. I eat it with coffee, or with pbutter. I chop it and add it to a protein shake. Whatever makes my little heart happy. I go through one bar a week. And it does not stall my loss at all. I have a piece of ww toast every single day at 9:00am. I smother it with real butter and sometimes pb sometimes cream cheese. I've recently fallen in love topping this with a half a mashed avacado and one soft boiled egg chopped. SO GOOD. Again whatever makes my little heart happy. Sometimes I have a half a sweet baked potato with 3 butters. LOVE THIS. Rotisserie chicken is my LOVE. I get it a costco and it is my go to. I dip it in a little bbq or wasabi mustard or horseradish or whatever! I throw peppers and onions and spices in the crock and then add the chicken after they are done. DELISH. Anyway, the moral of the story is that I eat enough calories for 3-4 of my coworkers and I, NOT THEM, have lost 100 pounds. I have big eating days, trust me. But it does not scare me to eat a lot. and really it does not scare me to eat a lot of carbs because I do not gain a single pound. I know it will not always be that way, but today it is. I only get disappointed in myself for not giving it my all and using this tool as it was meant to be. BOOOOOOO ME! SO this was not meant to be that long! I just hate that you are struggling. I hope you find your way. It's not hard, it's just different. Good luck! Amy LOVE this post, Amy and to hear how well you are doing! And your new avatar, too. You look so lovely and elegant. Please keep coming back, there are plenty of people here who will be helped and inspired by your success. Thank you!!! I am really doing very well and so happy. I know what to do and I know what I'm doing wrong when I'm doing it. That is a great place to be finally! On a very good note, I did excellent today! Can't wait to see some weight loss in the AM ) Cheryl, I buy those dark choc bars from Aldi and I love them. I love the Lindt better and they are higher in cocoa which is lower in sugar. But, they are better than many other choices. I buy one bar only and I know that I will not get another until the following Friday so that helps me use my portion control. Maybe try to stick to the rules like glue for a week and then give yourself a treat. Nobody is perfect, but you have an AMAZING tool, please, please, please use it. I also have to tweak meals for my hubs, son who has Crohns, and my dear granddaughter. I make something that has a meat base at the least. That is my meal. Anything I am nice enough to make for them is a plus. And my sweet granddaughter does not get shitloads of sugar at meme's house. I AM HER GENES. I do not want her to learn my bad habits, I love her too much. Another trick I do is buy chips or candy that I do not like. That way I have no temptations. It all boils down to what you want. You must want this. You took a big step for it. You've got the strength to be good. Just dig my friend. Love this quote. I hope it speaks to you the way it does to me. "Tomorrow is the most important thing in life. Comes in to us at midnight very clean. It's perfect when it arrives and it puts itself in our hands, and hopes we've learned something from yesterday." You've learned from everyone who is here. Even if you want to do circles around it, the fact is that you read the posts. Whether or not you choose to make tomorrow different with that knowledge is all up to you. You can. I know you can. I would gladly give you my cell number, email....shoot, I'll give you my address if I can be of help to you. PM me if you want it. I'll be your buddy and we can help each other through the days.
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Post by Girlrocker on Dec 7, 2014 11:36:01 GMT -5
Wow, this has turned into a very impressive, helpful, informative thread on all counts. To me, this thread and the discussion is exactly the beauty of a support forum, and how valuable the input is from a diversity of people sharing the same issues, from different experience levels. Cindy, this is great, and as I've said, you've made huge progress in finding that middle ground and you will continue to do so. It's a long road for all of us - a huge adjustment, not just the surgery itself - and in our cases, along with Cheryl - more than once. Relearning not only how to live with a bariatric surgery and designing our nutrition needs around it, first to lose, than to transition into living with it for life. Using those guidelines and adapting it to ourselves. And the reality is, what we have to do to lose weight and how we live to maintain it are a little different. The idea is to use the time we work so hard on losing the weight to also create the template of good habits we live with for life, our own building blocks. I used to be fearful of food, especially carbs, because I too am a carb addict, and a compulsive/addictive eater. I still am watchful, because I know how easy it is to slip/fall. But what I've also learned is it IS possible to be in the drivers seat. Now I consider myself 'watchful in a good way. No longer fearful. Cheryl, can I say reading this, I am SO relieved to see/hear 'chinks in the old armor at last! You too have come a long way - and I do remember you from when you first came here, you were completely closed off. There's a ton of great information here, from people who have lived with the surgery for a long time; revisionistas like us, and new virgin surgeries like Amy. Whose praises I will also sing, to see her transformation, and not just how she looks, but everything she shared! Everything you are struggling with is relative. There's nothing easy about bariatric surgery, and it can be a whole different set of challenges for us who have had to go through this twice. It's that old saying - we have to be able to admit a problem. Diet/calorie mentality is wired deep. The first phase of the surgery where we focus on losing, as I said above, isn't the way we live for life, once we are at our weight goals, we can continue to flesh things out, incorporate more options. It's different to see things as an obese person and then as one who is trying to maintain a healthy weight. This is the time where you learn new ways to think about, approach food. I did it by the book during my losing time, was very restrictive with myself because I didn't want to second guess why I might not be losing after all I had already been through. I decided I didn't care if I understood fully how the DS worked, I just accepted that it did. Maybe that will help ease things up for you. You do have to count calories - but now, it's to make sure you eat ENOUGH, because we malabsorb so much. Having to eat more frequent, smaller meals for me is similar to what I did with my RNY. And the longer out I was, the more variety I could eat, the more volume, the more density of proteins. Now, I eat 100g or more of carbs a day and I do just fine, along with 150g protein; and I don't count the fat except to make sure enough is there or I get constipated. Fat keeps us 'moving'. Sometimes I'm sick of protein food too, but I can't ever resume eating the way I used to - so carb heavy - or I'll gain weight. But I can mix it up more now, and when I just don't feel like eating, I drink an extra protein shake. I've learned to focus on other things now besides food, but it didn't happen overnight. Dieting my whole life, RNY at 40, DS revision at 50. Throughout my bariatric process, I always sought out experience from people who had lived with surgery for a long time, in tandem with people who were in the same place as me. I learned from it all and still do. And in the end, so much of what we learn now, as has been pointed out here, is just a good way for people to live - a protein focused moderate carb lifestyle with good fats. We just have very specific things we must monitor because of our malabsorption - that's what sets us apart. We do run the risk of serious health issues if we don't keep our protein up, take our supplements. Amy - everything about this! It's amazing and wonderful to read, but especially since I remember the day you got here too! Your metamorphasis is fantastic. Besides that you look incredible too. I will say, everything about this...except that you are not 'here' enough to post. So not true and what a support forum is all about! Everyone is an important member of this very unique family, we share this surgery in common. Everyone has an experience, a POV to share, and they are all valuable. There are times yes, when one will see several long-time surgery people chiming in, but that's usually because there is huge concern for their health and safety. Look at all you have given back by sharing your experience, and I hope you will visit when you can!
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Post by historytracker on Dec 8, 2014 4:31:14 GMT -5
Cindy, you should be concerned about your pre albumin - if it's low you want to eat more protein. You should aim for 150g minimum per day. Yes NYB - I am going to add Quest Bars for an afternoon snack. That should up me to 150 gm of protein. It will also give me some fiber which is what the nutritionist recommended. Besides they are yummy. I could always add more cheese. Thank you.
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Post by cherylbaker on Dec 8, 2014 5:22:12 GMT -5
Cindy, you should be concerned about your pre albumin - if it's low you want to eat more protein. You should aim for 150g minimum per day. Yes NYB - I am going to add Quest Bars for an afternoon snack. That should up me to 150 gm of protein. It will also give me some fiber which is what the nutritionist recommended. Besides they are yummy. I could always add more cheese. Thank you. Really wish i liked them (or any protein bar ).. would be a great way to have sonething good for you that tastes good
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Post by goodkel on Dec 8, 2014 14:18:47 GMT -5
If you find it impossible to eat enough protein, you must supplement. How it tastes makes no difference. You need to get it down like medicine. Hold your nose and chug if you have to in order to get it down. You don't have to like it.
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Post by Simba on Dec 8, 2014 16:35:41 GMT -5
If you find it impossible to eat enough protein, you must supplement. How it tastes makes no difference. You need to get it down like medicine. Hold your nose and chug if you have to in order to get it down. You don't have to like it. goodkel you kill me, LOL, I am thinking of my son who holds his nose when he has to swallow something he doesnt like...I would rather hold my nose and chug it down than get protein malnutrition-that screwed up your whole body
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Post by Girlrocker on Dec 8, 2014 18:03:50 GMT -5
Layering, adding protein scoops to the food I'm already eating was always one of my favorite tricks, I did it when I had the RNY and it helped a lot with my DS too. It's an easy to bump up the protein without physically eating more food. I actually do like protein bars, all kinds - Pure Protein, EAS/Myoplex low-carb, PowerCrunch, Quest, Detour low-sugar. I'll also cook eggs into things, tofu which is tasteless, or use Unjury unflavored protein and add it to my stir fries and one-pot dishes. A scoop of chocolate protein powder in my greek yogurt or cottage cheese is also delcious and a good treat. Add in some cool whip, change the flavors using vanilla or chocolate protien power, different flavors sugar free pudding mix and you have power protein fluff.
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Post by historytracker on Dec 9, 2014 4:26:30 GMT -5
Yes NYB - I am going to add Quest Bars for an afternoon snack. That should up me to 150 gm of protein. It will also give me some fiber which is what the nutritionist recommended. Besides they are yummy. I could always add more cheese. Thank you. Really wish i liked them (or any protein bar ).. would be a great way to have sonething good for you that tastes good Vitamin Shoppe carries Quest Bars and they are really yummy. Sometimes I put them in the Microwave for 10 seconds (chocolate chip one). There are so many flavors to choose from and it is the perfect snack on the go. If you do not have a Vitamin Shoppe then buy them online at Quest Nutrition.
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