tandt
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Post by tandt on Feb 20, 2014 11:59:32 GMT -5
I figured I would start posting here.so tomorrow will be one week. I slept in own bed last night and OMG. It was almost like I hadn't even had the surgery. I woke twice, once to say hi to my newest porcelain friend, and once to roll over. Slept on both sides and it was unnoticeable!!!! Felt like pre op!
Now for the not so good/ including questions. I woke up feeling great. Been like that last 2 mornings. But as the day goes on I get more and more gas pain/ bloating. It now is worrying me based in what I should eat. It gets very very uncomfortable at times. Would this still be gas from the op, or do you think it is food based by now?
What I ate today-
Greek yogurt Teaspoon of peanut butter Couple bites of onion soup Greek yogurt #2
Savory ( broths, etc) just don't sound good at all.I plan to try a small protein shake for dinner. I have gotten in 50oz water so far today and should be able to get to 64. None of these things has given me a hard time going down at all! I am just worried something I am eating is causing me the gas. I really don't care to eat right now, but want to make sure I keep things moving. Any non gas causing suggestions for protein this early? Or should I not worry about the protein for now? Arggggggg. I would love to try tuna fish and mayo. Too early?
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Post by TLady on Feb 20, 2014 12:18:03 GMT -5
I'm so glad you are enjoying your sleep. It makes such a difference when recovering. Is the Greek yogurt plain or is sweetened with something?
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tandt
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Post by tandt on Feb 20, 2014 12:21:23 GMT -5
I drizzled some honey on it. Would that be a problem?
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Post by bboop on Feb 20, 2014 13:16:20 GMT -5
No honey shouldn't bother you, that's a good choice. I used lactaid at this point...don't use it anymore but you can try that. It's for any lactose (dairy products) intolerance you may have early out. I would wait to try the protein drink at this point since you are having gas. Try to get the gas under control first and then try it. Most protein drinks have SF chemicals in them and many are made with milk. Unjury is a good one to try because it's unflavored and I used to put it in things I was eating at this point.
Milk, and SF chemicals can cause gas early out. Later you can try these things again. They have never bothered me but some people really have a problem with them.
Try Gas-X...some people say that helps. I know you are in Germany so I don't know what the equivalent would be there.
You hydration is great...keep it up. Your menu is ok too, except the onion soup...don't forget to eat egg drop soup, won ton soup without the won tons, and anything you can smash up in the food processor. I would stay away from cream of whatever kind of soups...they have milk, and flour and those can be killers early out. Onion soup is a favorite of mine but onions are sometimes hard on the new plumbing...wait a bit on that one.
Don't foget SF popcicles...now if you are allergic or avoiding SF chemicals don't eat these. Jello also falls in that category. You will know almost immediately if it will cause gas.
It sounds like your new insides don't really like food at this point. Just take it easy and try one thing at a time. I know this is hard - you are hungry or at least I was, but I was very lucky, I could eat almost anything except eggs...for some reason they sat like lead in my stomach if they didn't come back up uninvited. It's a complete YMMY (your mileage may vary) at this point. Try different things but for sure keep drinking because hydration is so key right now.
I avoided oatmeal, cream of wheat and things like that. Many people eat that at this early stage...trust me oatmeal is not good to me...I ate a cookie once and was in the bathroom for days. Again, YMMV.
Cheese isn't considered milk...it has to do with the processing I suppose. Try melting some cheese on a plate in the microwave and nibble on that. Try smashing up something like Vienna sausages...not real sausage mind you but something that is already ground up to nothing and then nibble on that. I even ate potted meat at this point...yes, I know it's terrible - who knows what's in it, but it was a life saver for me at this point.
One thing to remember you won't be in this state forever...it does pass. I'm really glad you were able to sleep well and that's key to your healing.
Welcome to the dark side...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2014 13:34:14 GMT -5
At the point you are at it was basically full liquids for me ..Greek yogurt, oatmeal or cream of wheat with heavy cream ...that was about all I could eat. Cheese, peanut butter, and any kind of pureed meats were gross to me until a month or two out.
Onion soup would have killed me this early....even the fat from chicken noodle soup broth was too fatty for me. My suggestion is to stay very bland for awhile and then add things one at a time (try one day and see how it works).
Things will change a lot the next few months and things that are gross now will be good the next time you try.
Be careful with sugar free things because many contain sugar alcohol and that tore me up before surgery and still does now.
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Post by Taterweight on Feb 20, 2014 17:02:16 GMT -5
I would try the tuna with mayo - it's working great for me. You might be able to find canned chicken too that you could mayo-fy. I'm able to eat 2oz at a time fairly quickly, whereas I'm still nursing other things for an hour.
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Post by Girlrocker on Feb 20, 2014 19:18:10 GMT -5
Gas at this stage is pretty normal, you're detoxing from anesthesia and everything else your body was hooked up to keep your motor(s) running. I have temporary amnesia as to whether your surgery was open or lap, gas even more so with lap but still present with open surgery and your readjusted GI system. It's trial and error at this point, as someone has pointed out, you can get 20 people to respond and 20 different answers about what they eat, tolerate. Gas-x or anything with the agent simethicone helps gas issues and so does walking, as much as you can. For me for several weeks it was whey protein shakes, tomato soup with tofu pureed, peanubutter, hummus, saltines, sf jello and popsicles, sf pudding with a scoop of whey protein stirred in and that's pretty much it. Next added egg salad, Boca chikn patties with a slice of veggie cheese, dipped in ranch or ketchup, oatmeal, reduced fat cottage cheese. Couldn't do full fat dairy or cheese for awhile. Glad you had a good sleep in your own bed, and for the first week, you sound pretty good
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2014 19:36:36 GMT -5
I would try the tuna with mayo - it's working great for me. You might be able to find canned chicken too that you could mayo-fy. I'm able to eat 2oz at a time fairly quickly, whereas I'm still nursing other things for an hour. Wow, good for you. Tuna, mayo and chicken made me want to hurl at your stage. To be honest, canned chicken, well I had some the other day and it stunk and wasn't very good. I think people said the Costco has good stuff, this was cheap store brand and was bad. I am glad you can eat those things as it is good protein.
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Post by Girlrocker on Feb 20, 2014 19:45:06 GMT -5
Oh and Tandt, NICE starting a MyStory, woohoo!
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Post by Taterweight on Feb 20, 2014 20:28:35 GMT -5
I would try the tuna with mayo - it's working great for me. You might be able to find canned chicken too that you could mayo-fy. I'm able to eat 2oz at a time fairly quickly, whereas I'm still nursing other things for an hour. Wow, good for you. Tuna, mayo and chicken made me want to hurl at your stage. To be honest, canned chicken, well I had some the other day and it stunk and wasn't very good. I think people said the Costco has good stuff, this was cheap store brand and was bad. I am glad you can eat those things as it is good protein. Yes the tuna and canned chicken from Costco is the ONLY way to go! it's the best of the best and probably why I can tolerate it.
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tandt
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Post by tandt on Feb 22, 2014 5:48:25 GMT -5
Day 8-
Slept solid 10 hours. I have not been able to sleep this much since college!
Had 1/3 cup cottage cheese breakfast Had about 25 ounces of water 35 minute walk My first try of an egg- scrambled runny with cheese and a bit of milk. Tasted great, we'll see how it sits.
Now I need a nap...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2014 10:56:37 GMT -5
Congratulations. Sounds like you are doing great! You should follow your surgeons directions regarding what food to eat when. Seems to early for anything but liquids, purees or very soft foods-cottage cheese, yogurt, eggs. Why push it? Keep taking it slow and easy. I wish you continued success. Best, Whit
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Post by Girlrocker on Feb 22, 2014 12:43:45 GMT -5
You sound good! I slept a LOT, I was a revision and my recovery was slower for me, but ya, once I could finally get a night's sleep after the first week, took two naps a day for about 6 weeks Foodwise, is this what you're officially cleared for, to start on soft foods? If so, this is the way to go, easy things, trial and error, see how you do.
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tandt
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Post by tandt on Feb 22, 2014 13:54:03 GMT -5
Dr's instructions were liquids and very soft foods for first 4 weeks. I guess I am not quite sure where the soft food line is. Finished today with a protein shake. Am I going to far with one of these items above?
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Post by Girlrocker on Feb 22, 2014 15:29:17 GMT -5
Nope, sounds good to me, and how you with any of them will be the 'ol YMMV. Eggs seems to be hit and miss for people. I did ok with scrambled egg with cheese, and even better with egg salad, and kept my dairy-cheese products in the low fat range, cottage cheese was good for me too. We have to follow our surgeon's suggestions, and, sometimes tailor to how are bodies are respond.
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Post by Joanne on Feb 22, 2014 15:29:39 GMT -5
Dr's instructions were liquids and very soft foods for first 4 weeks. I guess I am not quite sure where the soft food line is. Finished today with a protein shake. Am I going to far with one of these items above? My surgeon defined full liquids as anything that would run off the back of a spoon, like creamy yogurt or soup. He described soft foods as anything you could mash up with a cheap plastic fork without breaking the fork - like scrambled eggs, cheese, etc. Hope that helps
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tandt
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Post by tandt on Feb 24, 2014 14:57:49 GMT -5
Just finished day 10. Feel pretty damn good knock on wood. I made it into work today for 6-7 hours (I did shut my office door and nap for 30 mins ;-)). I know everyone is going to say SLOW DOWN, but I have to tell you, I am sleeping like a rock every night, 10hrs, no pain, just minor gas/ bloating by early evening before my evening trip to the bathroom. I said to myself I would just sit around and watch netflix for another week, but I had to get out! My job added a bit of something to do and I got to walk a bit more because I felt like it had a purpose ( make sense?) Thanks for all your advice on my other post on vitamins. I am going to start threading them in end of the week.
Today for food-
Cottage cheese breakfast Cottage cheese lunch :-( Protein shake Scrambled egg
70-80 oz water
Have not hopped on the scale yet, but it was funny, I had 5 people at work say that it looked like I lost weight. I do notice a bit in my face and also, my fat swollen ankles are much smaller now. Maybe I will hit this coming Sunday's weigh in.
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Post by Girlrocker on Feb 24, 2014 16:07:36 GMT -5
O.M.G, work in 10 days?! I'm in awe. Good you have nap option, and you do yes, want to stay rested, hydrated, walk, breathe. Sounds like you are having a textbook recovery and really glad for you. Your 'menu' sounds pretty standard for not quite two weeks out, as I've said, I ate the same six things for 8 weeks and cottage cheese was one of them. Good job!
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tandt
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Post by tandt on Feb 26, 2014 4:32:15 GMT -5
Day 12. Had a full day of work yesterday. I didn't intend to, but being here in Germany and Corporate in the USA meant I got stuck with some afternoon urgent calls I had to sit in on. Boy oh boy was I tired at 4pm!!! My mornings have been great. I feel very good. As the day wears on, I get a bit uncomfortable and tired. Still sleeping like a rock. I really feel blessed so far and am waiting for the inevitable crash to soemthing that sucks. I am prepared for this I guess, but right now I am not complaining. I have to take 2 and a half flights of stairs to my office (could take the elevator, but have tried to force myself to use the stairs). I am very out of breath and my legs are bruning by the time I get to my office. This did not happen prior to surgery. Is this due to my limited intake of food? Oh well, just feel in worse shape than before the surgery.
The following is my plumbing status. It seems like this is normal based on what I have read, but just thought I could get some reinforcement from all of you that this is normal: I go to the bathroom at around 9pm. Not a big event, maybe just an opening act for what is to come later at night. For the last 4 nights in a row I have woken up at almost exactly 2;30am and had the main event. Usually go once. then back to bed and 30 min later another main event. Then off to sleep. Around 6-6:30 I am up again for a minor event. I then do not go for the rest of the day! All of these events are liquid (Sorry for the details, but after reading this site over and back, I feel safe :-)).
I plan to start taking soem of the Vitalady regimen starting tomorrow. Per some of your suggestions, I will start slow- Maybe start with Vit A and D for a few days then add slowly. Make sense? Other suggestions on what to start with?
As for food, same as before. Cottage cheese, one egg, yogurt with protein powder,protein shakes. I have twice now eaten to fast (old habits die hard). All foods seem to tast fine, and I ate one scrambled egg to fast and was nauseated for a good 15 minutes. I need to remind my self to slow down.
As for my weight. I hopped on my scale this morning before work. I am not going to update my ticker because this just doesn't seem possible yet! Surgery Weight- 354, This Morning- 338. I will wait until Sunday and post with the regular crew then,
Thnaks again to all the Vets here for your help so far!!!!!!!
Todd
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Post by kennyk on Feb 26, 2014 4:44:57 GMT -5
Wow great! And glad to see the yogurt and protein powders! Cottage cheese is tasty but a little light in protein(I mix it with yogurt and hemp seeds) But you are doing amazing. Keep at it!
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Post by goodkel on Feb 26, 2014 11:25:31 GMT -5
Day 12. Had a full day of work yesterday. I didn't intend to, but being here in Germany and Corporate in the USA meant I got stuck with some afternoon urgent calls I had to sit in on. Boy oh boy was I tired at 4pm!!! My mornings have been great. I feel very good. As the day wears on, I get a bit uncomfortable and tired. Still sleeping like a rock. I really feel blessed so far and am waiting for the inevitable crash to soemthing that sucks. I am prepared for this I guess, but right now I am not complaining. I have to take 2 and a half flights of stairs to my office (could take the elevator, but have tried to force myself to use the stairs). I am very out of breath and my legs are bruning by the time I get to my office. This did not happen prior to surgery. Is this due to my limited intake of food? Oh well, just feel in worse shape than before the surgery. The following is my plumbing status. It seems like this is normal based on what I have read, but just thought I could get some reinforcement from all of you that this is normal: I go to the bathroom at around 9pm. Not a big event, maybe just an opening act for what is to come later at night. For the last 4 nights in a row I have woken up at almost exactly 2;30am and had the main event. Usually go once. then back to bed and 30 min later another main event. Then off to sleep. Around 6-6:30 I am up again for a minor event. I then do not go for the rest of the day! All of these events are liquid (Sorry for the details, but after reading this site over and back, I feel safe :-)). I plan to start taking soem of the Vitalady regimen starting tomorrow. Per some of your suggestions, I will start slow- Maybe start with Vit A and D for a few days then add slowly. Make sense? Other suggestions on what to start with? As for food, same as before. Cottage cheese, one egg, yogurt with protein powder,protein shakes. I have twice now eaten to fast (old habits die hard). All foods seem to tast fine, and I ate one scrambled egg to fast and was nauseated for a good 15 minutes. I need to remind my self to slow down. As for my weight. I hopped on my scale this morning before work. I am not going to update my ticker because this just doesn't seem possible yet! Surgery Weight- 354, This Morning- 338. I will wait until Sunday and post with the regular crew then, Thnaks again to all the Vets here for your help so far!!!!!!! Todd Wow, you really are a superstar! I am amazed. It was over a month before I could roll over in my sleep and not wake up from the pain. Definitely start taking your vitamins. B-12 is sub-lingual and melts under your tongue, A & D are small capsules, and you can dissolve Calcium in a glass of water and get it in that way. Add more one at a time as you can manage it. Your trouble on the stairs is because, even though you are doing fantastically, your body is still healing from a very major surgery. Don't try to push yourself. You don't want to cause a set back. Stairs are very strenuous. Most people are just walking leisurely for exercise at where you are. Allow your body to use what energy you have for healing. You are pushing yourself enough working so soon. Your plumbing sounds normal. It is likely to become more like loose stools instead of liquid when you start the calcium. Thanks for sharing your story with us!
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tandt
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Post by tandt on Feb 28, 2014 4:05:12 GMT -5
2 weeks down!
Worked all week. I am great in the mornings, then by 1-2pm I crash. Honestly, just get tired and end up with a lot of bloating and gas pain. I get home, take a 1.5 hour nap and then feel a lot better. It is kinda strange, because after laying flat the "Bloating" pain, if that is what it is, subsides. I am a bit worried that it is something I am eating. But to be honest, I have stayed pretty simple- Cottage Cheese, Soup, Yogurt, etc. I was having no problem with the protein shakes, but now they turn my stomach...Oh well. Still focused on liquids and looking forward to being able to eat some more types of protein.
See ticker below- Weighed in! Before surgery I was 354. Weighed in this morning at 333!!! I am already wearing a pair of pants that didn't fit 2 weeks ago!
Qucik question on labs- My surgeon is 2.5 hours away. He seemed to do the minimal from a labs standpoint. I am fortunate to have a Dr. as a neighbor who has agreed to help with labs. She is German and things are a bit different, but I feel like I can ask her for exactly what I need and she will get it done for me. Is there a list somewhere of labs that I can print to share with her?
Thanks!
Todd
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Post by Girlrocker on Feb 28, 2014 10:15:52 GMT -5
Congrats Todd on your first drop, so happy for you! I still can't get over you're back to work already, you're doing great. Glad you can nap Nice to have a doctor neighbor who will help with labs. I had to finally change PCPs because mine wouldn't order what I needed. Below is a link we have posted herE to a lab form, it's in my Google docs. You can show it to your doctor for what you need, and, keep track of your results. weightlosssurgery.proboards.com/thread/8702/lab-templates
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Post by tandt on Feb 28, 2014 11:27:28 GMT -5
Girlrocker-
Perfect! Thanks!!!!
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Post by tandt on Mar 5, 2014 4:43:08 GMT -5
Ending Week 3!
Things are getting better everyday! I previously had been whining about gas and bloating in the afternoon/ evening along with liquid bathroom events. I decided to quit the yogurts/ cottage cheeses/ other dairy and all carbs. Here is a typical day of food for me over the last 2 days-
Scrambled eggs, Shredded bacon (1 slice) Shredded chicken or tuna/ mayo Some sort of Soup Meatloaf (heaven) I also typically have a banana throughout the day (a little in the morning, then the rest in the afternoon). Seems to help my energy?
None of this has bothered my stomach AT ALL! And I am happy to say that I have gone 2 days with no gas/ bloating and have had just semi solid stool!!!!YEAH!
On the vitamin front- Taking all recommended Calcium, Vit A, Vit D and B12 plus Multi's. I think next week I will add the remainder of the vitalady program and see how it goes.
Work has been so much easier last 2 days without the afternon bloating. I am also less tired, and am making it from 7am to 5 or 6. I do go to bed at 8:30-9 ;-)
Maybe the bloating and gas was due to the sugars in the yogurt and stuff? Don't know I guess, but I feel so much better, I don't really care!
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Post by Leonie on Mar 5, 2014 6:24:50 GMT -5
You are living the life, dear friend. Well done for figuring out about the dairy and carbs. Yoghurt only started working for me recently, and then only plain Bulgarian full cream. Now you can slowly start experimenting. Then you can choose when to have something that bloats. Peanuts and peanut butter still do it to me.
Have you tried pure unflavoured whey isolate. That is the only protein powder that works for me. Some people do plain egg protein powder.
Your current food choices look great to me. Perhaps you could aim to have more meals. I have first breakfast, second breakfast, tea, lunch, snack, tea, and dinner. If every meal has 10-20g protein, you will be getting in 100-120g protein daily.
You are doing well!
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tandt
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Post by tandt on Mar 5, 2014 6:28:40 GMT -5
You are living the life, dear friend. Well done for figuring out about the dairy and carbs. Yoghurt only started working for me recently, and then only plain Bulgarian full cream. Now you can slowly start experimenting. Then you can choose when to have something that bloats. Peanuts and peanut butter still do it to me. Have you tried pure unflavoured whey isolate. That is the only protein powder that works for me. Some people do plain egg protein powder. Your current food choices look great to me. Perhaps you could aim to have more meals. I have first breakfast, second breakfast, tea, lunch, snack, tea, and dinner. If every meal has 10-20g protein, you will be getting in 100-120g protein daily. You are doing well! I have flavored Whey Protein and it turns my stomach. I am having a terrible time finding unflavored Whey here in Germany! I really wish I could, because I am sure I could get in a lot more protein. I will keep looking....
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Post by melanie74 on Mar 5, 2014 11:04:11 GMT -5
Here is a typical day of food for me over the last 2 days- Scrambled eggs, Shredded bacon (1 slice) Shredded chicken or tuna/ mayo Some sort of Soup Meatloaf (heaven) I also typically have a banana throughout the day (a little in the morning, then the rest in the afternoon). Seems to help my energy? Sounds like you are doing amazing at week 3!!! I have been thinking of having a banana myself - but been scared to try it - not sure why. I guess if it's not protein, I have been trying to avoid it. Your day looks very balanced though - I can't wait to try bacon and meatloaf. Doc doesn't want me eating any meat other than tuna for 1 more week.... Monday can't get here soon enough!
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Post by tandt on Mar 14, 2014 5:51:04 GMT -5
1 Month down! So update...
Getting probably 40-50 gms of Protein a day. I would really like to be getting more, but protein shakes are just not working for me. It is interesting, I have tried 3 brands. Whey Isolate, no carbs/ sucralose etc, unflavored. I can drink them, but the last 2 that I tried, the following day I had a mild headache and ended up bloated/ gassy. Oh well. Reminding myself of the 30/60/90 thing...
Water- Can almost guzzle now. No issues.
Vitamins- Taking all the Vitalady DS regimen except the iron. I had my blood drawn this morning by my PCP and will see how that turns out.
Weight- HOLY SHIT! Highest weight Jan 10- 372, Surgery Date Feb 14- 354, This morning- 314...added two more notches to my belt. I think I might keep doing this and see if it will wrap all the way around twice before I am done :-)
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2014 9:18:17 GMT -5
1 Month down! So update... Getting probably 40-50 gms of Protein a day. I would really like to be getting more, but protein shakes are just not working for me. It is interesting, I have tried 3 brands. Whey Isolate, no carbs/ sucralose etc, unflavored. I can drink them, but the last 2 that I tried, the following day I had a mild headache and ended up bloated/ gassy. Oh well. Reminding myself of the 30/60/90 thing... Water- Can almost guzzle now. No issues. Vitamins- Taking all the Vitalady DS regimen except the iron. I had my blood drawn this morning by my PCP and will see how that turns out. Weight- HOLY SHIT! Highest weight Jan 10- 372, Surgery Date Feb 14- 354, This morning- 314...added two more notches to my belt. I think I might keep doing this and see if it will wrap all the way around twice before I am done :-) You are doing great. 40-50 grams of protein at 1 month is great. I couldn't stomach any protein drunks so I understand. You will continue to add protein and before you know it will be to 100 a day. The big boost for me was nuts and sunflower seeds. Pistachios, cashews, almonds. You can snack on them through the day and it really adds up. Congratulations, you are doing excellent!
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