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Post by newyorkbitch on Jan 30, 2015 12:30:45 GMT -5
Yes I saw it right away but I still love 4bean salad. So will keep eating it for the protein. I need to find some good carbs that I can at least partially enjoy and eat more during the day. So is Creon the one to ask for and at what strength. And which 4 beans are in the salad anyway? Green beans for example have very little protein and not a lot of carbs either. Listen Pat you need high quality protein like meat, fish, chicken, eggs and you need to eat complex carbs with an emphasis on whole grains. |
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Post by patngin on Jan 30, 2015 12:41:23 GMT -5
So is Creon the one to ask for and what strength to start out. Will google complex carbs and get a list and go from there. Going to town today and will get some. I know sweet potatoes and I eat those a lot, also brown rice and the mix I have from Costco is going to be my lunch. today. Also Apples which my wife says will help my bowel movements. I need to know about the creon so I can include it in my note to the doc today.
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Post by patngin on Jan 30, 2015 12:48:53 GMT -5
I also heard you can sprinkle it on the food. Is that right. Don't think I don't appreciate this because I do. I am sure sometimes it seems other wise but that's just me.
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Post by newyorkbitch on Jan 30, 2015 12:51:42 GMT -5
So is Creon the one to ask for and what strength to start out. Will google complex carbs and get a list and go from there. Going to town today and will get some. I know sweet potatoes and I eat those a lot, also brown rice and the mix I have from Costco is going to be my lunch. today. Also Apples which my wife says will help my bowel movements. I need to know about the creon so I can include it in my note to the doc today. I do not advise you to take any enzyme until you get your diet act together. Now post your food log. I cannot believe you have not goggled complex carbs all this time. |
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Post by patngin on Jan 30, 2015 13:01:43 GMT -5
I have but I got sort of depressed that something was not happening sooner.
Breakfast
on Performance Whey Isolate - Protein Powder, 1.5 scoop 210 5g 2g 45g 23mg 255mg 2g 0g
Milk - Whole Milk, 2 cup (240mL) 320 26g 18g 16g 70mg 260mg 24g 0g
Lunch
Milk - Whole Milk, 2 cup (240mL) 320 26g 18g 16g 70mg 260mg 24g 0g
on Performance Whey Isolate - Protein Powder, 1.5 scoop 210 5g 2g 45g 23mg 255mg 2g 0g
Eggs - Scrambled (whole egg), 3.5 large 354 5g 26g 24g 752mg 598mg 4g 0g
Dinner
Crazy Cuisine - General Tso's Chicken, 2 cup 560 60g 22g 30g 110mg 1,200mg 18g 4g
White Rice - White Rice, 2 cup 410 90g 1g 8g 0mg 4mg 0g 1g
Breakfast
Eggs - Scrambled (whole egg), 3.5 large 354 5g 26g 24g 752mg 598mg 4g 0g
on Performance Whey Isolate - Protein Powder, 1.5 scoop 210 5g 2g 45g 23mg 255mg 2g 0g
Milk - Whole Milk, 2 cup (240mL) 320 26g 18g 16g 70mg 260mg 24g 0g
Generic - 4 Bean Salad, 1 cup uncooked 240 0g 0g 16g 0mg 0mg 0g 16g
Lunch
Milk - Whole Milk, 2 cup (240mL) 320 26g 18g 16g 70mg 260mg 24g 0g
on Performance Whey Isolate - Protein Powder, 1.5 scoop 210 5g 2g 45g 23mg 255mg 2g 0g
Dinner
Tyson - Anytizers Popcorn Chicken, 6 oz 340 28g 14g 28g 50mg 1,200mg 0g 4g
Generic - 4 Bean Salad, 1 cup uncooked 240 0g 0g 16g 0mg 0mg 0g 16g
White Rice - White Rice, 1 cup 205 45g 0g 4g 0mg 2mg 0g 1g
TOTAL: 2,439 140g 80g 210g 988mg 2,830mg 56g 37g
January 29, 2015
FOODS Calories Carbs Fat Protein Cholest Sodium Sugars Fiber
Breakfast
Generic - 4 Bean Salad, 1 cup uncooked 240 0g 0g 16g 0mg 0mg 0g 16g
on Performance Whey Isolate - Protein Powder, 1.5 scoop 210 5g 2g 45g 23mg 255mg 2g 0g
Milk - Whole Milk, 2 cup (240mL) 320 26g 18g 16g 70mg 260mg 24g 0g
Bellatoria - Garlic Chicken Alfredo Pizza, 1/3 pizza 320 27g 15g 23g 55mg 870mg 2g 1g
Lunch
on Performance Whey Isolate - Protein Powder, 1.5 scoop 210 5g 2g 45g 23mg 255mg 2g 0g
Season Brand - Jb - Skinless and Boneless Sardines In Pure Olive Oil, 4 oz 312 0g 24g 24g 70mg 220mg 0g 0g
Milk - Whole Milk, 1 cup (240mL) 160 13g 9g 8g 35mg 130mg 12g 0g
Dinner
Jack Daniels Pulled Chicken - Barbeque Chicken, 226.5 g 240 41g 3g 14g 30mg 780mg 33g 2g
Franz - Classic
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Post by newyorkbitch on Jan 30, 2015 13:05:22 GMT -5
I don't see a single whole grain on that list.
Pat get your shit together. Now.
I told you what you have to eat - high quality protein like meat, chicken, fish eggs
Complex carbs with an emphasis on whole grains.
That does not mean pizza and white rice.
Where is the quinoa, whole wheat bread, brown rice, barley, etc?
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Post by patngin on Jan 30, 2015 13:29:32 GMT -5
Thats what I am going to have for lunch, quinoa and brown rice mixed with garlic flavor and will spice it up with a little Mae Ploys sweet garlinc sauce. Try for a cup and a 1/2 and maybe some sardines. I am going to print out another list of carbs for the store.
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Post by patngin on Jan 30, 2015 13:36:54 GMT -5
I am going to try 3 scambled eggs and a piece of 9 grain toast for breakfast. I've had my protein shake.
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Post by newyorkbitch on Jan 30, 2015 13:37:02 GMT -5
Thats what I am going to have for lunch, quinoa and brown rice mixed with garlic flavor and will spice it up with a little Mae Ploys sweet garlinc sauce. Try for a cup and a 1/2 and maybe some sardines. I am going to print out another list of carbs for the store. You MUST have protein in there as well. Quinoa and brown rice and chicken for example. |
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Post by patngin on Jan 30, 2015 13:40:52 GMT -5
OK I will try some Costco canned chicken breast in it too. The sardines seem to help me go to the bathroom. Everytime I eat a can of the boneless skinnless in olive oil I don't have to take stool softeners. And they are a good snack. I eat the whole can 4oz.
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Post by newyorkbitch on Jan 30, 2015 13:42:51 GMT -5
OK I will try some Costco canned chicken breast in it too. The sardines seem to help me go to the bathroom. Everytime I eat a can of the boneless skinnless in olive oil I don't have to take stool softeners. And they are a good snack. I eat the whole can 4oz. Sardines are great. I love them, eat them all the time. Why do't you eat some prunes every day? |
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Post by patngin on Jan 30, 2015 13:49:15 GMT -5
OK no digestive enzymes yet.
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Post by patngin on Jan 30, 2015 13:52:03 GMT -5
Yep I love the boneless skinless in olive oil with some mae Ploys on it. I like that on everything meat wise and rice.
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Post by newyorkbitch on Jan 30, 2015 13:59:40 GMT -5
Yep I love the boneless skinless in olive oil with some mae Ploys on it. I like that on everything meat wise and rice. Make it brown rice. |
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Post by OnMyWay2Thin on Jan 30, 2015 14:10:16 GMT -5
Pat, I hope you start to feel better as you follow NYB's advice. Hang in there... Just a question for those on this post, the advice to eat brown rice, complex carbs (grains, wheat bread, etc.) is only for Pat's situation, right? Just making sure this doesn't apply to everyone as I have not been eating much of these items since my surgery six months ago. Thanks!
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Post by newyorkbitch on Jan 30, 2015 14:14:21 GMT -5
Pat, I hope you start to feel better as you follow NYB's advice. Hang in there... Just a question for those on this post, the advice to eat brown rice, complex carbs (grains, wheat bread, etc.) is only for Pat's situation, right? Just making sure this doesn't apply to everyone as I have not been eating much of these items since my surgery six months ago. Thanks! Pat needs to gain weight, hence the recommendation to increase his carb intake. If you are still in the weight loss phase, you want to avoid simple carbohydrates completely, and eat moderate complex carbohydrates. |
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Post by patngin on Jan 30, 2015 14:16:13 GMT -5
I still don't understand why bean salad shows no carbs. Ours has chickpeas, kidney beans all of which have a lot of carbs.
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Post by newyorkbitch on Jan 30, 2015 14:21:47 GMT -5
I still don't understand why bean salad shows no carbs. Ours has chickpeas, kidney beans all of which have a lot of carbs. It's just not a good food for you right now Pat. You need to eat the most concentrated protein you can - that means animal protein. Meat, chicken, fish. And you need to eat carb-rich complex carbs, like whole grains. You just don't have enough room for other stuff. If I were you, I'd be eating only high quality protein, complex carbs focus on whole grains, and a little fruit to keep my system happy. Make sure there's plenty of fat in your proteins, put butter in your grains, etc. Eat some prunes every day. Drink tons of water. Also protein shakes. |
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Post by newyorkbitch on Jan 30, 2015 14:27:24 GMT -5
I still don't understand why bean salad shows no carbs. Ours has chickpeas, kidney beans all of which have a lot of carbs. Pat go find the posts where I suggested a daily diet for you. Then repost those to this thread and we can see if there are adjustments to be made. |
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Post by newyorkbitch on Jan 30, 2015 14:34:40 GMT -5
I did it for you.
First of all in October we had this exchange:
Oct 11, 2014 at 7:06pm patngin said:
OK I printed out a list. I think right now I am going to get the protein and do my best on the complex carbs then when we get back get some of this stuff at Costco.
And I said:
3 shakes a day
Plus 3 meals a day that contain 20 G protein each
If you can do that then you can add complex carbs, veggies, and some fruit.
Plus 64 oz of fluids
Plus vitamins
WHAT HAPPENED???
Did you not even bother months ago to figure out what complex carbs you should eat ? We discussed it many, many times.
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Post by newyorkbitch on Jan 30, 2015 14:40:13 GMT -5
I have told you a variation of this many times Pat. Now fucking do it already.
Breakfast with protein and complex carbs. Example: cheese omelette with whole wheat toast
midmorning shake
Lunch with protein and complex carbs. Example: Brown rice with chicken
mid afternoon shake
late afternoon/early evening shake
dinner 8pm with protein and complex carbs. Example: sweet potato with steak
Make sure you hit your protein and carb targets. Drink 64 oz of water. Stop the excessive milk intake. Take all your vitamins. Eat some prunes every day and get a piece of fruit in there, like a pear which is good for the poop.
Log every damn thing you eat or drink.
If you can get in all of the above, you can add some green vegetables.
DO YOU HEAR ME THIS TIME?
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Post by goodkel on Jan 30, 2015 14:56:04 GMT -5
Pat, I hope you start to feel better as you follow NYB's advice. Hang in there... Just a question for those on this post, the advice to eat brown rice, complex carbs (grains, wheat bread, etc.) is only for Pat's situation, right? Just making sure this doesn't apply to everyone as I have not been eating much of these items since my surgery six months ago. Thanks! Pat is many years past his surgery date and is trying to gain weight. While complex carbs are good for everyone, you need to include them in your daily carb count/limit while you are still losing weight. With rare exception, I avoided carbs until I had reached a normal BMI. |
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Post by patngin on Jan 30, 2015 15:34:26 GMT -5
Pat you need to aim for 150g of protein everyday. You will need to log all your food into myfitnesspal to track. You need to drink 64 oz of water every day. You need to eat some complex carbohydrates, but not until you get 150g of protein in. You need to get on vitalady.com DS vitamin program It is no wonder you are in trouble, with what you are eating and the lack of vitamins you are taking. I want to know how long your common channel is, and I want to see your most recent labs. It is no wonder you were malnourished after your DS, if this is how you ate and the vitamins you took for all those years. We are all glad you are finally here - but now you need to listen to all of the experienced DSers on this site and start paying attention and taking care of yourself. I suspect you do not a need a revision at all - you need to eat correctly, take proper vitamins, and MAYBE take creon if all of that is inadequate. But IMMEDIATELY you need to get in at least 150g of protein every day, and IMMEDIATELY get on vitalady.com vitamin program. READ THIS ENTIRE LINK: www.vitalady.com/DS_90day_Reg_pg2.htmThis is what I take every day, but I take 100,000 iu Vit D Why did you reduce your D? And what form of D are you taking? I bet it is not dry D3. Read more: weightlosssurgery.proboards.com/thread/9423/bpd-ds-story#ixzz3QL1dkqEapatngin Avatar Oct 14, 2014 at 7:56am patngin said: Breakfast Unipro - Perfect Protein Shake, 2 scoop (23 g) 160 10g 0g 32g 0mg 176mg 0g 2g Milk - Whole Milk, 2 cup (240mL) 320 26g 18g 16g 70mg 260mg 24g 0g KILL THE MILK Manwich - Sloppy Joe Sandwhich, 1.3 bun 363 39g 5g 20g 56mg 463mg 8g 3g KILL THE BUN Tillamook - Grated Medium Cheddar Cheese, 1/2 cup 220 0g 18g 14g 50mg 340mg 0g 0g KILL THE CHEESE Lunch Tillamook - Grated Medium Cheddar Cheese, 1/4 cup 110 0g 9g 7g 25mg 170mg 0g 0g KILL THE CHEESE Salad dressing - Ranch dressing, regular, 100 g 484 7g 51g 1g 33mg 816mg 2g 1g Beets - Pickled Beets, 0.3335 cup 35 4g 0g 1g 0mg 55mg 4g 1g Chicken - Rotissere Chicken, 1 serving 160 0g 10g 17g 0mg 0mg 0g 0g Salad - Salad, 1 bowl 200 0g 0g 0g 0mg 0mg 0g 0g Milk - Whole Milk, 2 cup (240mL) 320 26g 18g 16g 70mg 260mg 24g 0g KILL THE MILK Unipro - Perfect Protein Shake, 2 scoop (23 g) 160 10g 0g 32g 0mg 176mg 0g 2g Dinner Generic - 3 Egg Omlette With Chedder Cheese, Bacon, 1 omlette 606 1g 52g 19g 634mg 210mg 1g 0g KILL THE CHEESE Snacks Haagen-dazs - Vanilla Milk Chocolate Almond Ice Cream Bar, 1 bar (87g) 300 21g 22g 5g 55mg 40mg 19g 0g NO WAY ON THE ICE CREAM - MASSIVE SIMPLE CARBS AND THE DAIRY IS CAUSING YOU GAS/POOPING ISSUES Gagner Read more: weightlosssurgery.proboards.com/thread/9435/#ixzz3QL27Ndrv3 shakes a day Plus 3 meals a day that contain 20 G protein each If you can do that then you can add complex carbs, veggies, and some fruit. Plus 64 oz of fluids Plus vitamins Read more: weightlosssurgery.proboards.com/thread/9423/bpd-ds-story#ixzz3QL47XZm4Tomorrow morning for breakfast you should eat a 3-egg cheese omelette, with a side of bacon. Then mid-morning you have a shake Then lunch you need another protein-dense meal Then mid afternoon you have another shake Then early evening you have another shake (because you eat dinner late) Then dinner is another protein-dense meal All together you have to eat AT LEAST 150g of protein. And given that you are protein deficient, you should aim for 200g. Read more: weightlosssurgery.proboards.com/thread/9423/bpd-ds-story#ixzz3QL4LBfV4Thats what I found so far. I remember 200g of Protein 200g of complex carbs. |
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Post by newyorkbitch on Jan 30, 2015 15:38:28 GMT -5
I did it already Pat. Read all the posts I just wrote.
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Post by patngin on Jan 30, 2015 22:53:36 GMT -5
Well we just got home and I loaded up on food that sounded paletable that are very high in complex carbs. I already have a lot of good protein stuff but didn't have anything with good carbs. We were able to find a lot of stuff. I think I can do the 150g of good carbs easy now. I didn't realize there were so many good sounding foods loaded with good carbs. I don't do Granola well but I got Multi Grain Cherrios. It is pretty good. Got some Madras Lentils, Quinoa salad, Lots more brown rice and quinoa garlic flavored. Salmon was on sale so got a bunch of the frozen fillets more sardines. Lots of other stuff though to get carbs in. Will keep track and see how it goes.
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Post by patngin on Jan 30, 2015 23:41:24 GMT -5
Wow this quinoa salad is actually good. It's loaded with quinoa, mung beans, kale, cucumbers, tomatoes and they use a lemon juice and vinegar dressing. It's made fresh and has tons of carbs and a lot of protein too. I am surprised. I can tell by eating about a tbls of it it is pretty filling.1/3 of a cup has 14g of carbs and 5g protein.
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Post by newyorkbitch on Jan 30, 2015 23:52:54 GMT -5
Wow this quinoa salad is actually good. It's loaded with quinoa, mung beans, kale, cucumbers, tomatoes and they use a lemon juice and vinegar dressing. It's made fresh and has tons of carbs and a lot of protein too. I am surprised. I can tell by eating about a tbls of it it is pretty filling.1/3 of a cup has 14g of carbs and 5g protein. I do not think you should fill up on that - you need to make your total for the day. Kale, cukes, tomatoes...those should wait until you are sure you eating your entire protein and complex carb requirements for the day. Quinoa with chicken would be good. Quinoa with meat, quinoa with fish. Not salad, unless you eat salad AFTER you have had all your protein and complex carbs for the day. |
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Post by patngin on Jan 31, 2015 0:46:09 GMT -5
Yep thats what I had 6 chicken wing pieces and 2/3 cup of quinoa salad. I didn't make my goals today but that is because we were out from 2 till 7:30. Tomorrow will do better I promise. I have the tools to do it with now.
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Post by jpcello on Jan 31, 2015 6:26:46 GMT -5
Yep thats what I had 6 chicken wing pieces and 2/3 cup of quinoa salad. I didn't make my goals today but that is because we were out from 2 till 7:30. Tomorrow will do better I promise. I have the tools to do it with now. Pat - there's no reason you can't eat the right foods when you're out. You need to final portable protein if you're going to be out and about for hours at a stretch. Doesn't need to be meals - even snacks can be full of protein. Do you have a little portable cooler or insulated lunch bag? Get a small ice pack and bring that with you everywhere. Carry cheese, lunch meat, leftover chicken, whatever. Or find protein that doesn't need to be refrigerated -- baby bell cheese and nuts come to mind. If I know I'm going to be out, I NEVER, EVER leave my house without some kind of protein. Even if I know that I can get food where I'm going. You can't afford to miss your goals because you were out. No excuse. |
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Post by goodkel on Jan 31, 2015 7:00:10 GMT -5
Pat, I'm sorry that I just noticed that your surgeon was Dr. Heap. You have as your surgery type "other". Did you actually have his "mini bypass"? Or "mini DS"?
Did you have your omentum and part of your small intestines cut out and discarded?
BPD-DS generally means just the standard DS now. Did you have an old school Scoparino BPD?
Did you ever get a copy of your surgical report?
Both of those procedures have a long history of severe complications.
Knowing what was actually done to you will help tremendously.
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