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Post by cherylbaker on Oct 16, 2014 4:35:12 GMT -5
Dunno if i am welcome here or not but i am reaching out in hopes someone will. 3 months labs came back deficient not happy with the instructions from drs office on how to proceed and looking for more opinions so i cam try and do things right. After leaving here i really struggled and almost checked myself into the hospital cause i wasn't getting enough nutrition and water. 2oz an hr just wasnt working.. after some manipulation with the protein drinks i realized my body was not liking 25 grams of protein in 8oz milk. I used 16 oz of milk and 1 scoop and things got better. I eventually got to be able to handle the 8oz an hr with 1 scoop.. i stalled and was told milk had too many carbs and i needed to keep my carbs under 20. So i switched to almond milk and lowered my carbs to 15 and stall ended. Thought i was doing well.. over the 3 months i worked my way up to 90 grams protein.. had my <20 grams of carbs and the rest fat. (About 40grams).. was told i needed to increase fat so slowly increased fat raising my calories from 700 to 900 and than to 1200. Weight loss has stopped. Labs came back deficient and so now i am reaching out for other peoples experience to find out what i need to fo to fix things. I hope someone out here will help me
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Oct 16, 2014 6:14:16 GMT -5
Post by newyorkbitch on Oct 16, 2014 6:14:16 GMT -5
Cheryl what vitamins are you taking every day?
You are stalling because you are starving yourself.
Get your protein up to a MINIMUM of 100g per day, and keep your carbs under 50. Drink 64 oz of fluid every day.
Can you post your labs here please?
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Post by cherylbaker on Oct 16, 2014 7:07:41 GMT -5
Hope these work. Here are my labs Got them
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Oct 16, 2014 7:46:55 GMT -5
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Post by newyorkbitch on Oct 16, 2014 7:46:55 GMT -5
Hope these work. Here are my labs Got them What vitamins are you taking??
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Post by cherylbaker on Oct 16, 2014 7:59:15 GMT -5
Vitron c iron Bariatric advantage multi high a d e k Calcium B12 (once a week sublingual)
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Oct 16, 2014 9:03:38 GMT -5
Post by newyorkbitch on Oct 16, 2014 9:03:38 GMT -5
Vitron c iron Bariatric advantage multi high a d e k Calcium B12 (once a week sublingual) Cheryl have you read vitalady.com ? Have you read the boards here on vitamins? You are protein, calcium, and D deficient. Your supplementation is woefully inadequate. You need to start reading and paying attention and educating yourself, now.
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Post by cherylbaker on Oct 16, 2014 10:26:43 GMT -5
Vitron c iron Bariatric advantage multi high a d e k Calcium B12 (once a week sublingual) Cheryl have you read vitalady.com ? Have you read the boards here on vitamins? You are protein, calcium, and D deficient. Your supplementation is woefully inadequate. You need to start reading and paying attention and educating yourself, now. Yes silly me was doing what the surgeons office said. So you agree the vitaladys recommendation is correct because the surgeons office is only increasing a and d a little calcium not at all and said nothing about mw needing to add more protein
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Oct 16, 2014 10:32:14 GMT -5
Post by newyorkbitch on Oct 16, 2014 10:32:14 GMT -5
Your surgeon's office are a bunch of idiots.
Your labs show you are protein deficient - look at your albumin levels!
Yes you should get on vitalady's regimen, immediately.
And I am sure the D you have been taking is not the correct form.
Start reading these board carefully. Now.
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Oct 16, 2014 11:49:30 GMT -5
Post by cherylbaker on Oct 16, 2014 11:49:30 GMT -5
I just wanted to make triple sure I was doing the right thing. since there is a BIG discrepancy between what people on the internet are saying and the surgeons office.. It made no sence to me no increase in calcium when I clearly need more and the increase in the a and d was minimal compared to vitalady. thanks for checking it out for me. the a and d should arrive today as I had already ordered them when I saw the labs.. it is just such a big increase in dosage it made me nercous. do you think I am eating too much?? Also do you think eating <20grams of carbs a day is bad??? It seems to be working for me but the people in the ds group say ketosis is not good for ds people.. I am leary about increasing the carbs since I lowereed them cause I was not losing. again thanks for checking it out for me. I feel confident now that this is the way to go since everyone seems to agree that the surgeon is wrong..
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Oct 16, 2014 12:29:20 GMT -5
Post by newyorkbitch on Oct 16, 2014 12:29:20 GMT -5
There is no such thing as eating too much as a DSer. The issue is what you are eating, not how much you are eating.
20g of carbs is too little, and it's unnecessary for weight loss, and it may keep you in ketosis.
Aim for between 40-50g of carbs and not simple carbs.
Get your protein to AT LEAST 100g per day and work up to 150.
Get your vitamin act together asap.
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Post by cherylbaker on Oct 16, 2014 14:33:56 GMT -5
Tks
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Oct 16, 2014 18:42:45 GMT -5
Post by illinids2 on Oct 16, 2014 18:42:45 GMT -5
Your surgeon's office are a bunch of idiots. Your labs show you are protein deficient - look at your albumin levels! Yes you should get on vitalady's regimen, immediately. And I am sure the D you have been taking is not the correct form. Start reading these board carefully. Now. My last albumin levels were 2.5 (3.5-5.0 Reference range) and total protein was 4.8 (6.3-8.2 g/dL). As you know I eat like a horse, tons of protein (80 grams between breakfast 1 & 2 alone, and always at 200 grams or more a day) so I don't understand what the hell is going on. Is there a way to get protein levels up without eating more protein? and Cheryl you are getting good advice...protein, protein, protein(need to get to 150 per day ASAP).....water, water, water(min 64 oz per day)....vitamins, vitamins, vitamins. These are not negotiable.
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Post by Leonie on Oct 17, 2014 0:09:28 GMT -5
Hi Cheryl
I am glad you ordered the vitamins.
We have all kinds of tricks to get in extra protein easily. Start out with a plan to have 6-7 meals of 20-30g protein per day.
Write up your plan for tomorrow here, then we can give you feedback and you can tell us how it went.
Regarding the protein shakes. What kind are you taking? I am always surprised when people say they have theirs with milk as so many of us are lactose intolerant, and milk is so high in carbs. How are your bowel movements and gas? You could try mix the protein powder with water and cream. If it is pure unflavoured whey isolate, there is very little that could distress your gut. You could mix it in only a quarter cup of fluid and drink it like a shot, or stirred into yoghurt or cottage cheese or even soup. I even sometimes made 'cookie dough' with a bit of cream and cream cheese added to my protein powder. My favourite was protein coffee. I would dissolve the protein powder to a paste with a bit of water. add cream and fill up with coffee. Of course you could also add loads of fluid and sip on it like you are doing. Find what works and keep experimenting.
Carbs are a whole different topic. There are carbs and there are carbs. If you get your carbs from milk, fruit, candy, honey, refined flour etc, it is fully absorbed like eating sugar off a spoon because these are simple carbohydrates. The carbs in vegetables, flax-seed, wholewheat bread, nuts etc are mostly complex carbs and fibre. We malabsorb about 40% of these, and the fibre not at all. So there is a big difference between 50g carbs from cake and 50g carbs from nuts. You can easily identify these by looking at the ingredients list. If it says the carbs are 20g and the sugar is 18g, there is 2g of good complex carb in it. The closer to the earth you eat, the better.
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Oct 17, 2014 22:23:13 GMT -5
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Post by cherylbaker on Oct 17, 2014 22:23:13 GMT -5
I make my shakes with almond milk after my origonal fiasco with being sick and than people telling me about all the carbs in milk. i dont eat any of those sugar things. Thanks for the suggestion and offer to help me with the eating. Problem is i am having a hard time getting 20 grams of protein in each meal. For ex 2 eggs thats a meal but only 12gr protein I will take you up on your offer to look at my plan but it seems like unless i have a shake or chicken i just cant get 20grm protein in a meal
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Post by cherylbaker on Oct 17, 2014 22:41:41 GMT -5
Ok i removed the veggies from my menu and added another ounce of meat and removed the nuts a usually have for snack and replaced them with eggs and here is what i get Breakfast protein shake Early snack protein shake Lunch 2oz chicken with 1oz cheddar cheese Aftrnoon snack 2 deviled eggs Supper 3 oz kielbasa Evening snack .5 marigold bar Here is the nutritional breakdown
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Oct 17, 2014 23:54:50 GMT -5
Post by historytracker on Oct 17, 2014 23:54:50 GMT -5
I use Isopure whey protein. 2 scoops in a glass of water = 50 grams of protein. This is how I start my day and it helps me make sure I get that 100 grams in. I do not drink any milk, but protein comes from yogurt and cheese, mostly meat. I keep my carbs less that 50 grams a day.
I went out with the girls tonight and they ordered the usual bar food - nachos, wings, etc. I ordered broccoli rabe with sausage. This was about the best choice for me. But my day was filled with protein so I was good to go.
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Oct 18, 2014 6:37:31 GMT -5
Post by illinids2 on Oct 18, 2014 6:37:31 GMT -5
Ok i removed the veggies from my menu and added another ounce of meat and removed the nuts a usually have for snack and replaced them with eggs and here is what i get Breakfast protein shake Early snack protein shake Lunch 2oz chicken with 1oz cheddar cheese Aftrnoon snack 2 deviled eggs Supper 3 oz kielbasa Evening snack .5 marigold bar Here is the nutritional breakdown Hi Cheryl. Good job, you are doing much better! I don't know if you have read any of the posts but for those early on the 30/60/90 rule is a great goal. That is, 30 days out you should aim for 30 g protein, 60 days aim is 60 g and 90 well 90 g. You are at 113 grams so you are doing well. I can tell you that I struggled mightily early on. Just couldn't eat much, and my real problem was liquids. All drinks tasted like garbage and I just couldn't get te 64oz minimum in so I ended up at the ER. Hopefully you are doing well with your liquids - 64 minimum a day. What really helped me with both my liquid intake (just wasn't thirsty) and getting my protein count up was buying bags of almonds, sunflower seeds (shelled), cashews and peanuts then I snacked on those through out the day. They went down very easy and they made me thirsty so I was able to drink. That easily go me 40 grams of protein a day, and allowed me to hit my 64 oz of fluid. I would suggest you try nibbling on nuts and seeds throughout the day as they are excellent sources of protein and will get you over 150 g protein before you know it. . Yes they have some carbs but they are not simple carbs and they are not bloating/GI irritating carbs like fibrous vegetables can be (you will eat those later on I eat broccoli, squash, zuchhini, asparagus, corn, green beans, peas, and carrots all the time). Keep up the good work on the nutrition side and let us know how you are doing on the vitamin side.
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Oct 18, 2014 6:38:11 GMT -5
Post by illinids2 on Oct 18, 2014 6:38:11 GMT -5
I use Isopure whey protein. 2 scoops in a glass of water = 50 grams of protein. This is how I start my day and it helps me make sure I get that 100 grams in. I do not drink any milk, but protein comes from yogurt and cheese, mostly meat. I keep my carbs less that 50 grams a day. I went out with the girls tonight and they ordered the usual bar food - nachos, wings, etc. I ordered broccoli rabe with sausage. This was about the best choice for me. But my day was filled with protein so I was good to go. Cindy, you sound like you are doing really well. Congratulations!
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Post by cherylbaker on Oct 18, 2014 7:05:07 GMT -5
Thanks for the kind words. I am struggling with eating cause i am soo obsessed with calories. The problem is that plan looks good but what will happen is at some point during the day i will just feel to full to eat or finish a meal and once i fall behind i can't catch up and those 113 grams will turn into 90. Everyday i feel like i am eating too much. Although looking at that schedule it looks doable except rhe 2 deviled eggs.. that might take me to long to eat. I just have to remember not to eat anything not protein or i definitely wont make it. We will see how today goes. Hopefully the vitamins will help also cause i have been struggling with depression and someone said one of the things i am low in causes depression. .
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Oct 18, 2014 7:12:19 GMT -5
Post by newyorkbitch on Oct 18, 2014 7:12:19 GMT -5
You must stop thinking about calories, and you must get up to 150g of protein and you must increase your vitamins.
YOU MUST.
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Oct 18, 2014 7:15:08 GMT -5
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Post by newyorkbitch on Oct 18, 2014 7:15:08 GMT -5
I make my shakes with almond milk after my origonal fiasco with being sick and than people telling me about all the carbs in milk. i dont eat any of those sugar things. Thanks for the suggestion and offer to help me with the eating. Problem is i am having a hard time getting 20 grams of protein in each meal. For ex 2 eggs thats a meal but only 12gr protein I will take you up on your offer to look at my plan but it seems like unless i have a shake or chicken i just cant get 20grm protein in a meal So why not have 3 shakes a day and eat the rest of your protein in food? That's absolutely fine for now.
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Oct 18, 2014 7:37:38 GMT -5
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Post by illinids2 on Oct 18, 2014 7:37:38 GMT -5
Thanks for the kind words. I am struggling with eating cause i am soo obsessed with calories. The problem is that plan looks good but what will happen is at some point during the day i will just feel to full to eat or finish a meal and once i fall behind i can't catch up and those 113 grams will turn into 90. Everyday i feel like i am eating too much. Although looking at that schedule it looks doable except rhe 2 deviled eggs.. that might take me to long to eat. I just have to remember not to eat anything not protein or i definitely wont make it. We will see how today goes. Hopefully the vitamins will help also cause i have been struggling with depression and someone said one of the things i am low in causes depression. . Cherly, calories don't matter. Find the DS Math article and wrap your head around it. If we absorb on average 60% of what we eat that means as a female you can eat 3,000 calories a day and only absorb roughly 1,800 calories. What is key is the make up of those calories, not the calories. You need to focus on protein first....so FORGET ABOUT CALORIES. Finally, with the DS you will not eat like you used to with 3 meals a day. With the DS we eat pretty much all the time.. I ate my first breakfast a little before 6AM (4 scrambled eggs with two slices of cheese, cup of coffee and 8 slices of Costco Hormel precooked bacon) and I am getting ready to go out to have my second breakfast. I have a larger capacity than most so don't use my volume as a comparison, but I am just like the other DSrs here...I eat every hour or so. Not necessarily big meals but snacks like the nuts I suggested and then a little but larger meal at meal times (not all do that though). It doesn't matter how long it takes you to eat, just that you eat and it needs to be protein first.
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Post by newyorkbitch on Oct 18, 2014 8:51:02 GMT -5
Thanks for the kind words. I am struggling with eating cause i am soo obsessed with calories. The problem is that plan looks good but what will happen is at some point during the day i will just feel to full to eat or finish a meal and once i fall behind i can't catch up and those 113 grams will turn into 90. Everyday i feel like i am eating too much. Although looking at that schedule it looks doable except rhe 2 deviled eggs.. that might take me to long to eat. I just have to remember not to eat anything not protein or i definitely wont make it. We will see how today goes. Hopefully the vitamins will help also cause i have been struggling with depression and someone said one of the things i am low in causes depression. . Are you seeing a therapist for the depression?
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Post by cherylbaker on Oct 18, 2014 11:25:14 GMT -5
Yes
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Oct 18, 2014 23:42:27 GMT -5
Post by historytracker on Oct 18, 2014 23:42:27 GMT -5
I use Isopure whey protein. 2 scoops in a glass of water = 50 grams of protein. This is how I start my day and it helps me make sure I get that 100 grams in. I do not drink any milk, but protein comes from yogurt and cheese, mostly meat. I keep my carbs less that 50 grams a day. I went out with the girls tonight and they ordered the usual bar food - nachos, wings, etc. I ordered broccoli rabe with sausage. This was about the best choice for me. But my day was filled with protein so I was good to go. Cindy, you sound like you are doing really well. Congratulations! I learned everything from the people on this board before surgery. I am the kinda person who has to have all their ducks in a row and I knew if I wanted to be successful, I needed to follow the rules and establish some low carb recipes. Later today, I will be making some low carb pumpkin recipes. I will have to see how they turn out. Cindy
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