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Post by lisa813 on Sept 3, 2014 21:25:50 GMT -5
Is this right? Lisa Attachments:
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Post by lisa813 on Sept 3, 2014 21:30:23 GMT -5
Picture didn't come so good so if you can't read it it says...
When counting you can deduct the grams of dietary fiber from the total carbohydrate grams to get the net carb count.
Example...
32g total carbohydrates
-26g dietary fiber
Equals 6g net effective carbs
So you're getting 6g of carbs
Lisa
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Post by nursemelanie on Sept 3, 2014 23:06:26 GMT -5
I could be wrong, but I count the full carb number. Reducing due to fiber is an Atkins diet rule, but to my knowledge we count it all. Vets will know for sure.  |
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Post by lisa813 on Sept 4, 2014 0:35:26 GMT -5
Thanks nursemelamine. That's why I wanted to ask to make sure I do it right  Lisa |
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Post by muffinsmom on Sept 4, 2014 1:52:02 GMT -5
I count it all. In general I like to keep my overall carbs low, not just the dietary fiber. And the "fat fast" and "nutritional ketosis" groups say to count all carbs. As an aside, I don't really trust nutrition labels anyway, when it comes to dietary fiber. Just sayin.
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Post by Girlrocker on Sept 4, 2014 8:37:13 GMT -5
Hi Lisa, this to me reads like a description of complex carb foods, particularly starches - like grains, cereals, breads, brown rice, sweet potato. To further break down what this means, it's true that fiber helps offset, counterbalance the carbs/sugars in foods. That's why these types of complex carbs are recommended for diabetics, Atkins and, work for us as a better starch carb option than white flours-based foods. So for instance, oatmeal is a better choice than cream of wheat, brown rice better than white, sweet potato instead of regular potato. However, as the others noted, count it all; carbs are carbs good vs. bad, so that means fruits too. Same here, there are certain fruits that are higher in fiber or have a lower glycemic index (sugar) so are better choices - like berries, cherries, apple. But to best maximize the losing window, we do suggest here to stay around 50g carbs a day. It means we can have carbs during the losing time, we just eat them more like sidecar-condiment style. The protein comes first, and generally speaking, a few bites of your favorite food - potato, etc. - is all that is needed, very satisfying. Early on the stomach real estate is so limited, so that by the time you get further out - like Scott/illinids2 is noticing now, can eat a lot more - you'll be more used to eating the smaller carb portions. I also want to commend you on such an excellent question This kind of thinking, questioning, is what it takes to be a success with the DS tool! |
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Post by lisa813 on Sept 4, 2014 17:45:41 GMT -5
Thank you so much girl rocker! After all the wrong information I was given by the nut and doctor I just want to make sure I get it right from the RIGHT people because obviously the people I went to are clueless lol You are right, that was from the back of a pita wrap. I want to make sure to stay under 50 for now so before I even get to being able to eat solids I want to have it right in my head. Thanks for the info! Lisa |
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Post by illinids2 on Sept 4, 2014 20:31:53 GMT -5
If you just focus on getting in your protein, then your carb count will be low.
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Post by goodkel on Sept 4, 2014 23:35:21 GMT -5
By "getting in your protein" we mean eating it. Food, not shakes.
If you eat enough protein, you won't have much, if any, room left over for carbs.
But, to answer your question, the human body can not digest fiber. But, just to be safe, I always used the total carb figure in my count. Who measures their condiments, sauces, and dressings by teaspoons before eating to get the proper carb count? A buffer by counting all carbs can prevent you from going over on the little stuff.
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Post by lisa813 on Sept 5, 2014 3:00:37 GMT -5
Right. Right now though I have to add a shake cause I can't eat enough to get the right amount of protein. But once I can look out steak because I'm coming for ya lol I can't wait to eat food again but at the same time I want to make sure I'm ready with my carbs
I think I like the lettuce idea as "bread" to make/hold sandwiches. Thinking of new ways to eat is hard at first, especially when you want to do it right and stick to things but I'm getting there with everyone's help!
Lisa
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2014 6:37:50 GMT -5
a Carb is a carb, is a carb.... Count them all..
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Post by illinids2 on Sept 5, 2014 7:41:09 GMT -5
Right. Right now though I have to add a shake cause I can't eat enough to get the right amount of protein. But once I can look out steak because I'm coming for ya lol I can't wait to eat food again but at the same time I want to make sure I'm ready with my carbs I think I like the lettuce idea as "bread" to make/hold sandwiches. Thinking of new ways to eat is hard at first, especially when you want to do it right and stick to things but I'm getting there with everyone's help! Lisa Early on it is hard so the shakes are a great way to get fluids and protein. You sound like you are doing well and grasping the DS life. Congrats! |
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Post by goodkel on Sept 5, 2014 9:35:38 GMT -5
Right. Right now though I have to add a shake cause I can't eat enough to get the right amount of protein. But once I can look out steak because I'm coming for ya lol I can't wait to eat food again but at the same time I want to make sure I'm ready with my carbs I think I like the lettuce idea as "bread" to make/hold sandwiches. Thinking of new ways to eat is hard at first, especially when you want to do it right and stick to things but I'm getting there with everyone's help! Lisa Of course you need to rely on shakes when you are early out. The point that I was trying to make was that someone can't drink two 60 gram shakes and think,"Yay, my protein is done. Now I can eat carbs." That only happens when you are eating all your protein. I still have a shake every day. It is like a multivitamin. I have it to fill in the blanks just in case I don't eat enough that day. I don't count protein any more. I just eat it as my primary food source. Once you've got the high protein/low carb eating habit down pat, it becomes second nature. |
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Post by Girlrocker on Sept 5, 2014 12:18:43 GMT -5
Yes, very normal early on to rely on shakes in the early phase. I found for me, keeping the 50g number in my head worked best, in tandem with protein first. Once you are able to start eating more, there's that "limited real estate' issue, as I said, so you can't do more than a bite or two, if that, after the protein. As you get further out, you progress more its not your sleeve stretching so much as being healed and operating at it's true capacity. There is a 'give' over time, hence the bounceback we refer to later on that's possible. I say all this too as a recovering carb addict; never did I dream I could be more in control of it, manage it better that didn't feel like I was always living with a demon. It's still there, doesn't go away, but this style of eating has helped me a great deal. Again, it's why it works well for diabetics and Atkins is such a good program. With condiments and such, it's not so much measuring has reading labels, for those and all foods. That's something I learned from reading/doing Atkins (years ago) - the amount of 'hidden' carbs in foods. I've become a veteran label reader, and that's what everyone should do - read labels first, before they ever put in the grocery basket, let alone buy. I totally get what you're saying about learning a new way to eat; Rome as they say, was not built in a day! You're thinking right, too, for alternative 'carb' vehicles - bread, crackers, chips such an inherent part of eating in ours many cultures. Just so you know, it took me years of learning too. I started on a protein centric/moderate carb lifestyle in 2000, when I started working out at a small neighborhood gym owned by a retired body builder. I did his training program and this whole concept of eating was revolutionary to me - it was something I could see doing for life, not a diet. And the DS makes it viable, you really can enjoy normal eating in the big picture.I still love pizza, bread, potatoes, pasta, rice, crackers, chips - I just found a more efficient way to eat them and I eat them less |
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Post by goodkel on Sept 5, 2014 13:57:36 GMT -5
I never changed the way I was eating and the bounce back came along anyway.
My theory has always been that how you lost it is how you keep it off.
That was my biggest problem in the past. The diets that worked were not sustainable or healthy for the long term.
Day in/day out I eat just the way I did in my early weight loss phase, by avoiding carbs. I have the occasional break: weekends away, Easter brunch, a sliver of birthday cake, a few drinks out with friends, but my normal routine avoids carbs except in miniscule amounts.
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