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Post by historytracker on Sept 1, 2014 6:23:23 GMT -5
For the last month, I have played with the same two pounds. With the 65 pound weight loss I thought this could be a plateau or a stall and I am not considering myself not to be out of the woods yet. I decided to test myself to see if I was in Ketosis and bought my sticks at CVS. I was not and I thought I was really careful, but I may have been eating too many things from my garden. I love caprese salad and although the protein from the fresh mozzarella - the tomato and basil count as carbs. I found this website: www.ibreatheimhungry.com/ and I followed the 3 day kick start plan and now I have a lovely purple Ketone stick. Ketosis has been reached and I am down 5 more pounds. So I am making some of the recipes from the website and back on keeping my carbs below 50. I also joined a gym and will be attending an exercise class today and I have an appointment with a trainer this coming Saturday. Last week I went kayaking on the Delaware and completed a 12 mile paddling. The picture below is the view I had from my seat. I saw bald eagles and all sorts of other birds, even the Canadian Geese (there everywhere!). I have not been in a kayak for years.I guess my butt got to big for my boat. I look forward to doing this again. I would like to take advantage of the colors of the fall so I may look into another trip in October/November. I want to find activities that I enjoy doing and get my act together before winter. I love the snow, but no much for skiing or winter activities. Everyone have a great Memorial Day! I am grilling skirt steak and chicken breast stuffed with goat cheese.;  |
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Post by OnMyWay2Thin on Sept 1, 2014 6:58:35 GMT -5
Congratulations, Cindy, you are doing phenomenal! I love your troubleshooting and actually figuring out what was going on, way to go. I loved the kayaking pictures from the Virtua site and am determined to go myself. I kayaked all last summer, though it was tough with the extra weight. Just wanted to say keep up the great work!
Kelly
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Post by nursemelanie on Sept 1, 2014 17:25:06 GMT -5
Cindy, have you lost 65 since surgery?
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Post by Girlrocker on Sept 2, 2014 14:42:05 GMT -5
Great job Cindy, nice work on the analysis of your own intake. Tomatoes are delicious, but actually yep, more in the fruit family and higher in sugar. And for the losing phase, that's what it comes down to - getting the most protein bang for the buck and keeping those carbs in the 50g under range, even the good ones. Love everything you said about kayaking, trips, THRILLED for you, NSV world rocks  How are you doing being back to work at school? |
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Post by historytracker on Sept 3, 2014 4:41:23 GMT -5
Melanie I lost 36 pounds before surgery. I found this website I believe in December or January and started doing low carb. Recipes were great. The rest of the weight is from surgery and I cannot believe that I weight less than when I was married. With gastric bypass my lowest weight was 220 and now I can see the possibilities of actually getting to a healthier weight. I cannot even imagine being below 200. I was over 200 in high school and I cannot even remember a time when I wasn't obese.
My first day back to work was yesterday and the nice thing about this was losing weight before surgery - people had noticed. So it would not be such a shock when I returned. I have had so many people come up to me and tell me how wonderful I look. Even a friend who is visually impaired saw me from behind and said "Holy sh*t - LOOK AT YOU.
I had to explain about the low carb foods and the ketosis plan that I am using right now. I have to finish my classroom today along with professional development sessions and I will be teaching my first classes tomorrow. My only regret is that I should have done this sooner in my life and stop being so afraid. This whole experience (surgery and all) is so much better than the RNY that I had back in 2001.
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Post by newyorkbitch on Sept 3, 2014 6:42:01 GMT -5
Extended ketosis increases your risk for kidney damage. Ketosis is not necessary for weight loss with a DS. What is your rush? Isn't good health the goal? Healthy weightlosssurgery, not a race.
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Post by nursemelanie on Sept 3, 2014 10:08:36 GMT -5
Extended ketosis increases your risk for kidney damage. Ketosis is not necessary for weight loss with a DS. What is your rush? Isn't good health the goal? Healthy weightlosssurgery, not a race. NYB, it's good to be reminded that actual ketosis isn't necessary for the DS. It's hard to break an old habitual way if thinking. I could only lose weight(without surgical intervention) by doing Atkins style dieting with major ketosis. I knew that long term it would cause damage, so that played a big part in choosing surgery both times. My older sister is actually suffering from the long term damage of ketosis among other extreme dieting efforts, due to her quest to never get "fat" like her other sisters and mom. |
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Post by nursemelanie on Sept 3, 2014 10:12:11 GMT -5
Cindy, I'm so happy for the positivity you are receiving and feeling. You're gonna go all the way girl, so you better get ready!;D
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Post by historytracker on Sept 4, 2014 1:53:06 GMT -5
But here is the thing - I was told by the dietician that Ketosis is good for weight loss. I tried it and I am finally dropping down the pounds. I get 100 grams or more of protein a day, now between 20 - 50 grams of carbs and I do not even look at fat grams, but I know they are high.
So do you think these numbers are horrible? I have only been doing this for 1 week - not my whole life. I am not in a race to loose the weight, but I know I have a 12-18 month window as the best opportunity to lose this weight. This is going to happen.
Being a revisional patient with RNY whose weight stopped in 220's and this is where my weight loss stopped with DS. It was like de ja vue. I was stuck at this for 4.5 weeks and I had enough. I needed to do something.
Now as I return back to high protein, 50 grams of carbs a day - I know I can rely on this approach if I get stuck at another plateau and need to make some changes.
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Post by newyorkbitch on Sept 4, 2014 7:24:19 GMT -5
I think you should eat 50g of carbs and they should be complex carbs. I think extended ketosis is not a good idea.
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Post by Girlrocker on Sept 4, 2014 8:59:34 GMT -5
I think you should eat 50g of carbs and they should be complex carbs. I think extended ketosis is not a good idea. I agree here too Cindy. You're on the right path, and again, I know the fact that you are an RNY to DS revision like me with a very stubborn metabolic history of easy regain always factors in. I'm sorry I didn't mention this sooner when I first responded, I'm a bit of swiss cheese in the head as I'm recovering. I do know people who have done this extended ketosis for a year and it's not a good for the kidneys nor for long-term weight loss/management. It's still 'diet mentality'. You're not on a diet anymore, you're needing to eat with a new surgery tool that will help you not only lose but keep it off. You will lose at 50g line a day and making the best complex carb choices, and keeping the portion side/condiment size, spread out through out the day. You really are making great progress, I know you're digging deep to re-learn how to eat, please, use your tool constructively and don't freak out when you don't lose every single week. Trust me, as much as you want this to be over, reassured you really WILL get to your weight goal this time, our biggest challenge is keeping the weight off, it's where the RNY failed us, besides all the diets before. So use this time to prepare to transition into that! |
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Post by OnMyWay2Thin on Sept 4, 2014 20:12:02 GMT -5
This is a very interesting thread. I'll be honest, I don't get in a lot of carbs because I focus so much on protein and try to get in enough each day. If I'm reading this correctly, I should also be trying to get 50 carbs in a day, too? Let me know. I have no idea if I'm in ketosis or that there was a test to check!
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Post by illinids2 on Sept 4, 2014 20:29:11 GMT -5
But here is the thing - I was told by the dietician that Ketosis is good for weight loss. I tried it and I am finally dropping down the pounds. I get 100 grams or more of protein a day, now between 20 - 50 grams of carbs and I do not even look at fat grams, but I know they are high. So do you think these numbers are horrible? I have only been doing this for 1 week - not my whole life. I am not in a race to loose the weight, but I know I have a 12-18 month window as the best opportunity to lose this weight. This is going to happen. Being a revisional patient with RNY whose weight stopped in 220's and this is where my weight loss stopped with DS. It was like de ja vue. I was stuck at this for 4.5 weeks and I had enough. I needed to do something. Now as I return back to high protein, 50 grams of carbs a day - I know I can rely on this approach if I get stuck at another plateau and need to make some changes. Hopefully you can wrap your head around DS living and listen to the advice given by the board before you seriously damage your body. The DS is not about dieting and sure the heck isn't about intentionally throwing yourself in to ketosis. |
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Post by west4thavenue on Sept 4, 2014 21:15:17 GMT -5
This is a very interesting thread. I'll be honest, I don't get in a lot of carbs because I focus so much on protein and try to get in enough each day. If I'm reading this correctly, I should also be trying to get 50 carbs in a day, too? Let me know. I have no idea if I'm in ketosis or that there was a test to check! Hi, Kelly,
No, 50 carbs is your daily limit for the first year after surgery. No need to concern yourself with ketosis. It is not a healthy state and is not necessary for weight loss. Focus on your fluid and protein and watch those carbs.
Hope your mom is doing alright.
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Post by newyorkbitch on Sept 4, 2014 21:42:24 GMT -5
You can buy ketosis testing strips in the pharmacy.
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Post by goodkel on Sept 4, 2014 23:21:47 GMT -5
But here is the thing - I was told by the dietician that Ketosis is good for weight loss. I tried it and I am finally dropping down the pounds. I get 100 grams or more of protein a day, now between 20 - 50 grams of carbs and I do not even look at fat grams, but I know they are high. So do you think these numbers are horrible? I have only been doing this for 1 week - not my whole life. I am not in a race to loose the weight, but I know I have a 12-18 month window as the best opportunity to lose this weight. This is going to happen. Being a revisional patient with RNY whose weight stopped in 220's and this is where my weight loss stopped with DS. It was like de ja vue. I was stuck at this for 4.5 weeks and I had enough. I needed to do something. Now as I return back to high protein, 50 grams of carbs a day - I know I can rely on this approach if I get stuck at another plateau and need to make some changes. The window is 18-24 months, not 12-18. I did not reach a normal BMI until my 24th month. When you are active, like kayaking, you need to increase your protein intake. 100 grams is fine for normal day to day function. But, working your muscles tears them and requires more protein for the healing process. This is how you build muscle. Days like that, I would go up to 180 grams. 100 grams of protein is fine, keeping your carbs below 50 grams is great, but there is no need to focus on ketosis. You will lose weight without throwing that into the mix. Follow the DS rules and your DS will do the work. Expect to stall/plateau. It is a normal part of the process, nothing to worry about or try tricks to over come. Have faith and keep following the rules and the weight loss will pick up again. An early stall or gain is normal and to be expected. There have been numerous posts about it on the board. Like this one: Our bodies use glycogen for short term energy storage. Glycogen is not very soluble, but it is stored in our muscles for quick energy -- one pound of glycogen requires 4 lbs of water to keep it soluble, and the average glycogen storage capacity is about 2 lbs. So, when you are not getting in enough food, your body turns first to stored glycogen, which is easy to break down for energy. And when you use up 2 lbs of glycogen, you also lose 8 lbs of water that was used to store it -- voila -- the "easy" 10 lbs that most people lose in the first week of a diet. As you stay in caloric deficit, however, your body starts to realize that this is not a short term problem. You start mobilizing fat from your adipose tissue and burning fat for energy. But your body also realizes that fat can't be used for short bursts of energy -- like, to outrun a saber tooth tiger. So, it starts converting some of the fat into glycogen, and rebuilding the glycogen stores. And as it puts back the 2 lbs of glycogen into the muscle, 8 lbs of water has to be stored with it to keep it soluble. So, even though you might still be LOSING energy content to your body, your weight will not go down or you might even GAIN for a while as you retain water to dissolve the glycogen that is being reformed and stored. Read more: weightlosssurgery.proboards.com/thread/9232/average-monthly-weight-loss-women#ixzz38SP1Py61 |
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Post by goodkel on Sept 4, 2014 23:25:41 GMT -5
You can buy ketosis testing strips in the pharmacy. I wish everyone would just follow the DS rules and ignore ketosis. Why make this more complicated than it has to be? |
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Post by illinids2 on Sept 5, 2014 1:47:26 GMT -5
You can buy ketosis testing strips in the pharmacy. I wish everyone would just follow the DS rules and ignore ketosis. Why make this more complicated than it has to be? As I like to say, Trust in your DS. |
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Post by indianamom on Sept 10, 2014 21:10:05 GMT -5
You will get there. Don't freak out... I know that is easier said than done. I freaked out at 2 or 3 months out.,, damn stall... I started at 321 and since January 17th have lost 115 pounds. I eat protein first and throw in some carbs... I am a newbie but agree with the other more experienced members.... Complex ones are the best... But I would be lying if I said I didn't have a couple of chips here and there....I only want a few but I still am mindful of what are better choices.. Sometimes making the better food choice just sucks short term... But long term it is worth it. I have a more active life and I'm not always self- conscious...
Again, you will do great. Have faith in yourself...
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Post by cherylbaker on Oct 16, 2014 4:21:00 GMT -5
Hi.. seems like a lifetime ago since i was here. Glad to hear your doing well. You guys probably don't want to talk to me after my freaking out. But i hope you will. I was a little surprised to hear you guys saying ketosis was bad. I was taking in 35 or so grams of carbs and stopped losing and was told that early post ds people needed to keep below 20. I have been in ketosis since my surgery on 7/8. I was told the surgery puts you in ketosis...
My 3 month labs came back deficient and i am having a slight meltdown. When i left here i found agroup on fb whos rule is kinder support (good for people like me who are sensitive and having a melt down).. but i worry that i have not been doing things right not getting exposed to other opinions. .
I know you had your surgery only shortly b4 i did so reaching out to you to see how i conpare and what things i need to do to get things going better.
Its weird that my labs were bad cause i feel good..
Dont want to hijack your thread just wanted to reach out and see if anyone would be willing to help me
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Post by historytracker on Oct 18, 2014 0:11:42 GMT -5
Ketosis is something I did for 1 week to off that damn plateau. I only focus on getting the protein grams and keeping no more that 50 grams a day. Sometimes I go slight over. I do not count calories or fat. You are not hijacking a thread. I saw your other post. Ask questions, people are willing to help out.
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Post by lisa813 on Oct 18, 2014 12:06:06 GMT -5
Honestly I can totally relate with freaking out.
This was a huge surgery to have since we are revisions and to not see any weight loss for a month or more at a time makes a lot of stress and worry.
Between the wrong information prior to surgery, having to change our way of eating versus the RNY, getting all this new information while recovering and the recovery alone it's a lot to deal with.
I've only lost 40lbs, 20 prior to surgery and 20 after surgery. I've done nothing but gain 2lbs and lose them again for a month now and I myself have been freaking out a little. I keep telling myself my body is gearing up for this big weight loss but then between the pain I have and throwing up problems with meat you get pretty down. I've had depression for many years but it was always controlled by my medication. It seems since the surgery my depression is getting really bad and I'm starting to think I'm not absorbing any of my medication if that's possible.
So then I have days of just not wanting to eat and I'll drink 2 shakes and have my water but nothing else. Then you wake up and think of what all the vets have said, that you have to snack throughout the day and spend the next day doing that. So I can totally understand why you did the ketosis.
I posted my surgical report to see if I got feedback about my pouch size and and DS portion thinking maybe something was off since I wasn't losing but I didn't get any.
It's definitely a new learning experience!
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Post by cherylbaker on Oct 18, 2014 16:36:37 GMT -5
I just started tsking medication for the depression and i feel no different. . I dont feel it is working.. i guess if we are not absorbing we coukd just get the dosage increased
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Post by illinids2 on Oct 18, 2014 16:50:08 GMT -5
I just started tsking medication for the depression and i feel no different. . I dont feel it is working.. i guess if we are not absorbing we coukd just get the dosage increased My Mother battled severe depression and my oldest son has been since May. Unfortunately the meds can take up to a month to kick in, in some cases and sometimes you have to try several meds before you find the one that works for you.....but you will so don't get frustrated. Stay with it and if you aren't feeling better soon then let you Psych know. |
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