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Post by jmdenton on Jul 23, 2014 9:20:08 GMT -5
I love the vets on here! Your advice is exactly what I need to hear (since I am pre op). TY TY TY!
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Post by derinoe on Jul 23, 2014 12:45:44 GMT -5
Hello all. I am new to the forums here. My DS was on June 4,2014. I did started reading your forums couple month before the surgery and been reading almost every day after. I can't stress enough of how much help,support and inspiration all of you been to me. I can't emagine going through this without your valued knowledge. Thank you for all of it. Being new to ds it has been scary and painful experience. I still struggle with nausea, protein intake and getting enough fluids. Reading your posts motivated me to stay on track with all of it. Trying new high protein shakes,food and just sipping sipping sipping... I took your advise about fats as well. After about 4 weeks out when I started some of the solids I started to add more fat to it. It came in forms of mayo, butter, ranch, some cream(my new tummy does not like dairy much this days). Like many others at 3 weeks mark I was thinking I broke my ds lol. You guys were to get me through it. This week I had some movement in the weight again and it does show the more protein/fat we take in the faster we would start loosing again. With this said I wanted to encourage others that are new to DS life to listen to the people who lived with it for years and made success of it. Thank you again.
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Post by DSwitcher on Jul 23, 2014 12:57:31 GMT -5
This is such a great thread, but there are three things going on: 1) Ladies only issue; 2) Interpersonal issues re frustration; and 3) DS Malabsorption and eating. Would there be any way to tease these out? Especially the "women only" opening post, as a lot of guys may miss some critical information.
Is there an ongoing "DS Nutrition" thread? If not it would be great!
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Post by west4thavenue on Jul 23, 2014 13:10:18 GMT -5
Hello all. I am new to the forums here. My DS was on June 4,2014. I did started reading your forums couple month before the surgery and been reading almost every day after. I can't stress enough of how much help,support and inspiration all of you been to me. I can't emagine going through this without your valued knowledge. Thank you for all of it. Being new to ds it has been scary and painful experience. I still struggle with nausea, protein intake and getting enough fluids. Reading your posts motivated me to stay on track with all of it. Trying new high protein shakes,food and just sipping sipping sipping... I took your advise about fats as well. After about 4 weeks out when I started some of the solids I started to add more fat to it. It came in forms of mayo, butter, ranch, some cream(my new tummy does not like dairy much this days). Like many others at 3 weeks mark I was thinking I broke my ds lol. You guys were to get me through it. This week I had some movement in the weight again and it does show the more protein/fat we take in the faster we would start loosing again. With this said I wanted to encourage others that are new to DS life to listen to the people who lived with it for years and made success of it. Thank you again. Welcome! Good to have you with us!
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Post by derinoe on Jul 23, 2014 13:33:50 GMT -5
Thank you. Good to be here
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Post by DSwitcher on Jul 23, 2014 14:58:53 GMT -5
This is such a great thread, but there are three things going on: 1) Ladies only issue; 2) Interpersonal issues re frustration; and 3) DS Malabsorption and eating. Would there be any way to tease these out? Especially the "women only" opening post, as a lot of guys may miss some critical information. Is there an ongoing "DS Nutrition" thread? If not it would be great! How about using the "DS Math" thread for the "DS Nutrition" info and move the Nut stuff that's here, over there, and then continue the nutrition comments there? weightlosssurgery.proboards.com/thread/8890/ds-math-revisitedRead more: weightlosssurgery.proboards.com/posts/recent#ixzz38K6mFTp6
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Post by goodkel on Jul 24, 2014 0:09:32 GMT -5
Hello all. I am new to the forums here. My DS was on June 4,2014. I did started reading your forums couple month before the surgery and been reading almost every day after. I can't stress enough of how much help,support and inspiration all of you been to me. I can't emagine going through this without your valued knowledge. Thank you for all of it. Being new to ds it has been scary and painful experience. I still struggle with nausea, protein intake and getting enough fluids. Reading your posts motivated me to stay on track with all of it. Trying new high protein shakes,food and just sipping sipping sipping... I took your advise about fats as well. After about 4 weeks out when I started some of the solids I started to add more fat to it. It came in forms of mayo, butter, ranch, some cream(my new tummy does not like dairy much this days). Like many others at 3 weeks mark I was thinking I broke my ds lol. You guys were to get me through it. This week I had some movement in the weight again and it does show the more protein/fat we take in the faster we would start loosing again. With this said I wanted to encourage others that are new to DS life to listen to the people who lived with it for years and made success of it. Thank you again. Welcome! Have you tried Almond Milk or Coconut milk? Many people have had good luck with those. How about Lactaid? Whatever works for you. Many people who are sensitive to lactose early out become fine with it as time goes by. Thank you for your kind words. I'm glad you've decided to post.
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Post by goodkel on Jul 24, 2014 0:34:36 GMT -5
This is such a great thread, but there are three things going on: 1) Ladies only issue; 2) Interpersonal issues re frustration; and 3) DS Malabsorption and eating. Would there be any way to tease these out? Especially the "women only" opening post, as a lot of guys may miss some critical information. Is there an ongoing "DS Nutrition" thread? If not it would be great! How about using the "DS Math" thread for the "DS Nutrition" info and move the Nut stuff that's here, over there, and then continue the nutrition comments there? weightlosssurgery.proboards.com/thread/8890/ds-math-revisitedRead more: weightlosssurgery.proboards.com/posts/recent#ixzz38K6mFTp6I often do move posts when a thread starts out with one very specific topic and then completely changes direction. But, this thread has several different topics all interspersed. Separating them would make the thread look like swiss cheese and would make many posts difficult to understand.
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Post by DSwitcher on Jul 24, 2014 15:24:12 GMT -5
How about a DS Nutrition thread? Seems like a very important topic...
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Post by goodkel on Jul 24, 2014 16:09:20 GMT -5
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Post by historytracker on Jul 25, 2014 0:32:14 GMT -5
Hello all. I am new to the forums here. My DS was on June 4,2014. I did started reading your forums couple month before the surgery and been reading almost every day after. I can't stress enough of how much help,support and inspiration all of you been to me. I can't imagine going through this without your valued knowledge. Thank you for all of it. Being new to ds it has been scary and painful experience. I still struggle with nausea, protein intake and getting enough fluids. Reading your posts motivated me to stay on track with all of it. Trying new high protein shakes,food and just sipping sipping sipping... I took your advise about fats as well. After about 4 weeks out when I started some of the solids I started to add more fat to it. It came in forms of mayo, butter, ranch, some cream(my new tummy does not like dairy much this days). Like many others at 3 weeks mark I was thinking I broke my ds lol. You guys were to get me through it. This week I had some movement in the weight again and it does show the more protein/fat we take in the faster we would start loosing again. With this said I wanted to encourage others that are new to DS life to listen to the people who lived with it for years and made success of it. Thank you again. OMG - 3 weeks out I am wondering with the same thing - is my DS working. Things have really slowed down and I am struggling with the diet. I cannot wait until I progress through this post op diet. I even contacted a dietitian to see if I am doing things right. I am getting in all my fluids/protein, but struggling with the calorie restriction (400-500). I know most of you feel this is crazy, but this is the bariatric postoperative diet from Virtual Memorial. On Monday - I will be 4 weeks out and one more week of pureed. At least with the soft I am going to try some fish and other animal protein.
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Post by goodkel on Jul 25, 2014 1:08:28 GMT -5
Hello all. I am new to the forums here. My DS was on June 4,2014. I did started reading your forums couple month before the surgery and been reading almost every day after. I can't stress enough of how much help,support and inspiration all of you been to me. I can't imagine going through this without your valued knowledge. Thank you for all of it. Being new to ds it has been scary and painful experience. I still struggle with nausea, protein intake and getting enough fluids. Reading your posts motivated me to stay on track with all of it. Trying new high protein shakes,food and just sipping sipping sipping... I took your advise about fats as well. After about 4 weeks out when I started some of the solids I started to add more fat to it. It came in forms of mayo, butter, ranch, some cream(my new tummy does not like dairy much this days). Like many others at 3 weeks mark I was thinking I broke my ds lol. You guys were to get me through it. This week I had some movement in the weight again and it does show the more protein/fat we take in the faster we would start loosing again. With this said I wanted to encourage others that are new to DS life to listen to the people who lived with it for years and made success of it. Thank you again. OMG - 3 weeks out I am wondering with the same thing - is my DS working. Things have really slowed down and I am struggling with the diet. I cannot wait until I progress through this post op diet. I even contacted a dietitian to see if I am doing things right. I am getting in all my fluids/protein, but struggling with the calorie restriction (400-500). I know most of you feel this is crazy, but this is the bariatric postoperative diet from Virtual Memorial. On Monday - I will be 4 weeks out and one more week of pureed. At least with the soft I am going to try some fish and other animal protein. The calorie counting/restriction is a bunch of crock and clearly demonstrates their lack of knowledge about living with the DS. Please, please, please do not do anything that dietician suggests once you are beyond your immediate post op requirements. She'll be the death of you. This is why you haven't lost weight, Cindy. I guess you missed it above: You are EXPECTED to gain weight or stall in early post op. This is why: Our bodies use glycogen for short term energy storage. Glycogen is not very soluble, but it is stored in our muscles for quick energy -- one pound of glycogen requires 4 lbs of water to keep it soluble, and the average glycogen storage capacity is about 2 lbs. So, when you are not getting in enough food, your body turns first to stored glycogen, which is easy to break down for energy. And when you use up 2 lbs of glycogen, you also lose 8 lbs of water that was used to store it -- voila -- the "easy" 10 lbs that most people lose in the first week of a diet. As you stay in caloric deficit, however, your body starts to realize that this is not a short term problem. You start mobilizing fat from your adipose tissue and burning fat for energy. But your body also realizes that fat can't be used for short bursts of energy -- like, to outrun a saber tooth tiger. So, it starts converting some of the fat into glycogen, and rebuilding the glycogen stores. And as it puts back the 2 lbs of glycogen into the muscle, 8 lbs of water has to be stored with it to keep it soluble. So, even though you might still be LOSING energy content to your body, your weight will not go down or you might even GAIN for a while as you retain water to dissolve the glycogen that is being reformed and stored. Read more: weightlosssurgery.proboards.com/thread/9232/average-monthly-weight-loss-women#ixzz38SP1Py61
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Post by west4thavenue on Jul 25, 2014 8:50:02 GMT -5
Hello all. I am new to the forums here. My DS was on June 4,2014. I did started reading your forums couple month before the surgery and been reading almost every day after. I can't stress enough of how much help,support and inspiration all of you been to me. I can't imagine going through this without your valued knowledge. Thank you for all of it. Being new to ds it has been scary and painful experience. I still struggle with nausea, protein intake and getting enough fluids. Reading your posts motivated me to stay on track with all of it. Trying new high protein shakes,food and just sipping sipping sipping... I took your advise about fats as well. After about 4 weeks out when I started some of the solids I started to add more fat to it. It came in forms of mayo, butter, ranch, some cream(my new tummy does not like dairy much this days). Like many others at 3 weeks mark I was thinking I broke my ds lol. You guys were to get me through it. This week I had some movement in the weight again and it does show the more protein/fat we take in the faster we would start loosing again. With this said I wanted to encourage others that are new to DS life to listen to the people who lived with it for years and made success of it. Thank you again. OMG - 3 weeks out I am wondering with the same thing - is my DS working. Things have really slowed down and I am struggling with the diet. I cannot wait until I progress through this post op diet. I even contacted a dietitian to see if I am doing things right. I am getting in all my fluids/protein, but struggling with the calorie restriction (400-500). I know most of you feel this is crazy, but this is the bariatric postoperative diet from Virtual Memorial. On Monday - I will be 4 weeks out and one more week of pureed. At least with the soft I am going to try some fish and other animal protein. I don't think it's "crazy", but it sounds as if a dietician or NUT somewhere put together some very generalized instructions that fit other WLSs a lot better than they fit the DS. Maybe they thought a caloric restriction would keep patients from eating too much too soon out of surgery (?) . Whatever their thinking was, understand that calorie counting simply isn't in our world. I think this may be what is slowing you down, Cindy. Your body may have slipped into starvation mode.
There is a tendency to trust medical people over lay people. In this instance, though, I have learned to go with the vets here. I think you need to take in as much fluid, protein and fat as you can, and ignore the calories.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2014 9:12:41 GMT -5
Ignore Calories, count protein, fat and carbs (to stay right around 50) When talking to your NUT, smile and nod, then ignore her advice. Rely on the vets, and this board.
We'll get you on track..
If you insist on calories, think about this..
30g protein = 120 cal (DS math = 60 cals) 50g Fat = 450 (DS math = 90 cals) 50g carbs = 200 (DS math = 120cals)
770 calories for what you should be getting in.. You only getting 1/2 to 2/3 of that now at 400-500 cals. Then account for ds math, and your at 270 cals. NOT ENOUGH!!!!
EAT MORE!!!
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Post by Joanne on Jul 25, 2014 9:40:45 GMT -5
Hello all. I am new to the forums here. My DS was on June 4,2014. I did started reading your forums couple month before the surgery and been reading almost every day after. I can't stress enough of how much help,support and inspiration all of you been to me. I can't imagine going through this without your valued knowledge. Thank you for all of it. Being new to ds it has been scary and painful experience. I still struggle with nausea, protein intake and getting enough fluids. Reading your posts motivated me to stay on track with all of it. Trying new high protein shakes,food and just sipping sipping sipping... I took your advise about fats as well. After about 4 weeks out when I started some of the solids I started to add more fat to it. It came in forms of mayo, butter, ranch, some cream(my new tummy does not like dairy much this days). Like many others at 3 weeks mark I was thinking I broke my ds lol. You guys were to get me through it. This week I had some movement in the weight again and it does show the more protein/fat we take in the faster we would start loosing again. With this said I wanted to encourage others that are new to DS life to listen to the people who lived with it for years and made success of it. Thank you again. OMG - 3 weeks out I am wondering with the same thing - is my DS working. Things have really slowed down and I am struggling with the diet. I cannot wait until I progress through this post op diet. I even contacted a dietitian to see if I am doing things right. I am getting in all my fluids/protein, but struggling with the calorie restriction (400-500). I know most of you feel this is crazy, but this is the bariatric postoperative diet from Virtual Memorial. On Monday - I will be 4 weeks out and one more week of pureed. At least with the soft I am going to try some fish and other animal protein. Cindy, I am concerned about you because I see you struggling with not being satisfied with the rate of your weight loss. I would say first, decide if your expectations are reasonable. Nearly everyone goes through a slow down about a month out, for the reasons Kelly described. Things do pick up. As a revision you may lose slower. But more importantly, to me, is that you are seeking advice from a "diet oriented" nutritionist and wanting to follow their post-op program. Following your surgeon's post-op program for "progression" - meaning liquids to soft foods to normal foods is a good idea. Your surgeon knows your insides, anything different he may have done, and your expected rate of healing. But following the post op plan as a "diet' or calorie restriction does not make sense to me, or probably most of the people here. This is very, very common so I don't want you to feel you or your surgeon is being singled out. But I want to tell you, frankly (and I hope you know I mean it in the spirit of helping you) that if you continue to follow that low calorie restricted diet you will not lose as much weight. What will happen is you will be a slow loser, and you will tank your metabolism affecting your long term maintenance. You also risk nutritional complications because you just are not eating / absorbing enough food. You cannot expect your nutritionist to tell you anything differently, or to agree with us.
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Post by newyorkbitch on Jul 25, 2014 10:54:57 GMT -5
Cindy, you are taking the advice of a nutritionist who does not understand the DS.
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Post by Joanne on Jul 25, 2014 11:00:36 GMT -5
Cindy, you are taking the advice of a nutritionist who does not understand the DS. Yes - this. NYB just cut to the chase of what I was dancing around.
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Post by derinoe on Jul 25, 2014 11:11:30 GMT -5
Cindy sweetie, I know it is scary when the stall is happening to us. It even more scary the first time. What the vets are saying is very much true, we need more protein and fat calories in for us to start loosing again. My weight started to shift again as I increased my intake. I do not count calories from protein or fat, I do try to count my fruit intake as it has more carbs then I would like to take in at this point. I have not dared to touch any breads or pastas or rice. I started to work on my protein shakes. The problem with Nut. most of them trained about bypas or lap band and many of them are not qualified to advise us on DS diet. My fiance said that I should become a Nut to help people out that come after me Lol. I am kind of worried about staying on track to loose all the exsess weigh in the frame that my body will allow me. I guess that what I wanted to ask vets about. Does it matter how much we loose in first 3 month? Would it affect us reaching goal or not? I know we all loose at a different rate. Has slow losers reached there goal here? Thank you all. And Cindy hugs to you, it will work for both of us. DS give us a new chance at Normal life, we can do this!
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Post by derinoe on Jul 25, 2014 11:25:52 GMT -5
Cindy I forgot to mention about fish. I have tried different kinds. What really agreed with me is a smoked salmon. We buy it in 3 or 6 oz. Package I put it on top of some Philadelphia cream cheese and it makes it so soft and delicious. You get protein from both salmon and cheese. One package goes along, really long way for us. Soups like lobster bisque work for me as well. I freeze extras as soon as we get it. Pork has been better to me then chicken so far. Have you tryed eggs yet? There is so many ways we can cook them to keep it soft and yammy. I hope it was helpful. Hugs.
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Post by goodkel on Jul 25, 2014 11:27:55 GMT -5
There was a rule of thumb floating around awhile back that said that to be on track to lose 100% of your excess weight, you should have lost 25% of it by 3 months out, 50% by six months, and 80% by one year.
I never met those goals.
But, I kept plodding along following the DS rules and by the end of year two I had lost 100% of my excess weight. I am now 7 years post op and I have maintained a normal BMI since then.
I am living proof that slow and steady wins the race.
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Post by caprice on Jul 25, 2014 11:30:33 GMT -5
Cindy sweetie, I know it is scary when the stall is happening to us. It even more scary the first time. What the vets are saying is very much true, we need more protein and fat calories in for us to start loosing again. My weight started to shift again as I increased my intake. I do not count calories from protein or fat, I do try to count my fruit intake as it has more carbs then I would like to take in at this point. I have not dared to touch any breads or pastas or rice. I started to work on my protein shakes. The problem with Nut. most of them trained about bypas or lap band and many of them are not qualified to advise us on DS diet. My fiance said that I should become a Nut to help people out that come after me Lol. I am kind of worried about staying on track to loose all the exsess weigh in the frame that my body will allow me. I guess that what I wanted to ask vets about. Does it matter how much we loose in first 3 month? Would it affect us reaching goal or not? I know we all loose at a different rate. Has slow losers reached there goal here? Thank you all. And Cindy hugs to you, it will work for both of us. DS give us a new chance at Normal life, we can do this! Are you eating very much fruit, like, even a serving a day? Do know that you're sort of sabotaging yourself if you take in very much (or even a bit) of fruit. There is no protein and no fat, only carbs. I do understand the need for a sweet treat now and then, but know that, as a DSer, you aren't getting anything that you need in fruit, ESPECIALLY in fruit juice.
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Post by derinoe on Jul 25, 2014 11:43:40 GMT -5
Thank you for your reply guys. You are an inspiration to me Kel . Fruit vise I am not even close to a serving and not every day. I had 3 cherries on Monday and I had a tiny sliver of watermelon( it was 1 oz by weight) yesterday. What do you guys do if you get craving for fruit? No juice for me.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2014 11:46:49 GMT -5
If you REALLY need something sweet, eat a square of DARK CHOCOLATE, Darker the better! not much sugar in it, but it satisfies!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2014 11:49:04 GMT -5
Cherries are good, berries, apple or pear.. No banana, oranges, peaches, VERY high in sugars..
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Post by derinoe on Jul 25, 2014 11:54:20 GMT -5
Thank you. What about watermelon?
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Post by derinoe on Jul 25, 2014 12:01:17 GMT -5
Couple more questions if that's OK. At what point did you guys try raw veggies ( I want something crunchy). When is it safe to ride a bike? Any other food suggestions that got you through first 6 month would be greatly appreciated.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2014 12:07:11 GMT -5
Cindy I forgot to mention about fish. I have tried different kinds. What really agreed with me is a smoked salmon. We buy it in 3 or 6 oz. Package I put it on top of some Philadelphia cream cheese and it makes it so soft and delicious. You get protein from both salmon and cheese. One package goes along, really long way for us. Soups like lobster bisque work for me as well. I freeze extras as soon as we get it. Pork has been better to me then chicken so far. Have you tryed eggs yet? There is so many ways we can cook them to keep it soft and yammy. I hope it was helpful. Hugs. just a quick reply here, Cream cheese does not have very much protein, (1g per TBSP) but is still good for us for the FAT!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2014 12:11:10 GMT -5
Thank you. What about watermelon? It is mostly water, so if your not having any bad effects from it. go for it.. I consider it a treat, and don't eat it all the time. I rate it in the middle of good and bad fruits personally. Others may disagree.
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Post by DSwitcher on Jul 25, 2014 13:04:14 GMT -5
Excellent! With age, it gets harder to see what is right in front of your face! I am meeting for a 4 hr session with the nutritionist next week, and I will read this over. Don't plan to argue with her, but boning up on the "real" DS will help me listen and smile...lol
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Post by michaelp on Jul 25, 2014 16:08:11 GMT -5
Cindy - you and I are not only Surgery Twins separated at re-birth (had surgery with Greenbaum same day) but we're going through the same things. What's killing me is the mis-information given us be the doctors office specifically, they say:
- don't drink 15/30 before after - learned doesn't apply to us - eat mashed potatoes and grits, and low fat everything - from what I reading, no wonder my weight loss has slowed SO MUCH
I seeing Greenbaum Tuesday and hopefully get some answers but I'm kind of pissed and want to see a NUT but as a self pay feel like I'd be wasting my money!!! Im down 24 since our surgery but the breaks are on - this thread is great but I'm fearful my high carb low fat could have screwed me and I won't get to goal.
Mike
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