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Post by nursemelanie on Jul 19, 2014 14:31:11 GMT -5
I believe they are all trying to help you. Emotions run very high postop. I see them trying to steer you away from your negative thoughts and help you in transitioning to a non-diet mentality. As much as anyone would want to lose weight fast...we have to remember that the weight loss WILL come at our own individual paces. It's tuff love on here sometimes, but you must know the intentions are all good.
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DSwitcher
Junior Member
Posts: 88
Surgery Type: Revision
Surgery Date: 08/26/2014
Surgeon: BOYCE
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Post by DSwitcher on Jul 19, 2014 16:49:00 GMT -5
I was all over the Sleeve, knew it coming and going. The DS is different. It defies logic, and certainly the weight watcher logic, which NEVER worked for long. It is like watching Donald O'Connor dancing up the wall and across the ceiling. Vets have a pretty good grasp on it, but us pre-ops and newbies (first year?) just have to trust and adjust. That is not always easy on either side's part. I am thankful for all the knowledge around me, even if half the time it sounds like Charlie Brown and the parents, "Wah wah wah, wah wah wah wah wah...."
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Post by Girlrocker on Jul 19, 2014 17:18:22 GMT -5
I don't see where my quote says anything about me starving myself. I wish you would stop attacking everything I say. I am doing my best clearly not good enough fir you but I'm sorry I'm doing the best I can Cheryl, no one is saying you are starving yourself. No one is attacking you. We are trying to explain the difference of how the DS works so that you understand you need to completely change your approach to the surgery recovery and big picture post-op life. And we will be very firm about that, because your health, your life depend on it - physically and mentally. Right now you might not be able to get in much, it's normal to get most of the protein from shakes, and whatever food you're cleared to get in. This DOES change, as you heal, food progress. You're aiming for 30g of protein/30 days out, 60g protein/60 days out, 90g/90 days out, eventually going up to 120g or more. To stop thinking in calories in/out. Did you read the DS math link? The protein links above? We only absorb 60% of the protein we take in, if that, and 20% of the fat. Of course! I too busted my a$$ maximizing our first 18 month losing window, but this meant eating the DS way, not the RNY way, not counting calories, being on a diet. I counted protein grams, carb grams, fat grams. I am able to eat whenever I'm hungry, I can eat/graze all day long if I'm eating good protein foods, keeping my carbs at 50g and eventually adding more as I reached my goal weight, as I also exercise. Please, take the time to read thoroughly, re-read, the guidance that people are posting, no one would do it if they didn't care. Most of us were helped by long-term post ops too and want the same for others.
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Post by goodkel on Jul 20, 2014 0:07:21 GMT -5
No one has attacked you.
You have expressed some unhealthy, incorrect ideas about how to manage your DS
We have been trying to save you from yourself and make sure that others don't get the same ideas.
To not correct the things you write that are wrong implies that we agree with you and that could harm other people.
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Post by cherylbaker on Jul 20, 2014 1:53:52 GMT -5
I was all over the Sleeve, knew it coming and going. The DS is different. It defies logic, and certainly the weight watcher logic, which NEVER worked for long. It is like watching Donald O'Connor dancing up the wall and across the ceiling. Vets have a pretty good grasp on it, but us pre-ops and newbies (first year?) just have to trust and adjust. That is not always easy on either side's part. I am thankful for all the knowledge around me, even if half the time it sounds like Charlie Brown and the parents, "Wah wah wah, wah wah wah wah wah...." Ha ha ha Ha Wow that's exactly how I feel.
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Post by cherylbaker on Jul 20, 2014 2:00:09 GMT -5
I have read all the stuff eons ago numerous times. I understand people seem to be misinterpretation things I say. Just because a person wants to get as much weight off as they can doesn't mean they are doing sonething wrong and there u s nothung with weighting yourself everyday. Some people need that validation. If they start freaking out over it than it could be a problem. Don't worry I won't post my stupid thoughts here anymore.
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Post by jpcello on Jul 20, 2014 5:59:42 GMT -5
I have read all the stuff eons ago numerous times. I understand people seem to be misinterpretation things I say. Just because a person wants to get as much weight off as they can doesn't mean they are doing sonething wrong and there u s nothung with weighting yourself everyday. Some people need that validation. If they start freaking out over it than it could be a problem. Don't worry I won't post my stupid thoughts here anymore. Cheryl - it's so hard to convey these things in words on a website. We all want (or wanted) to lose as much as weight as possible. For me the point of the surgery wasn't to lose as much weight as possible, it was to get as healthy as possible. The bonus was losing all my excess weight. So to validate - I weigh myself every day. I have from the beginning and I still do it 11 years later. HOWEVER (here's the caveat) - you are only 2 weeks post-op. The first month or so of surgery is nothing like living with the DS for the rest of your life. You will never experience anything like the first month ever again. The weight you lose the first 2-4 weeks has nothing to do with the DS. You just had MAJOR intestinal surgery and your body needs to recover. Can't remember if you had your surgery lap but if you did they literally blow you up like a balloon so the dr has room inside to work. You could be retaining water, have side effects from anesthesia, pain meds can constipate, and so on. All I'm trying to say is take a deep breath and slow down. There is no wrong or right.
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Post by cherylbaker on Jul 20, 2014 8:35:31 GMT -5
I'm sorry I just don't think any if you understand how frustrated I am. I can't drink anywhere near enough. I have been getting in the minimum 40 grams protein but not even close to 64 oz of liquid. The only thing I can do is walk. I walk a lot. So I Cone Here AND NOT Only GET Yelled At Fir NOT Drinking enough (Expected) BUT For Doing to much (which was the only thing I feel us going right). Now today I Weight myself and I didn't lose any weight and hay I'm at least smart enough to know if I said I was disappointed I would get yelled at fir that also. People say do this or do that but I can't do any of them cause my husband doesn't feel it is right. I get so frustrated cause he sat there on his butt the other day while the grandkids were here whole I made him and the kids lunch (yummy mac and cheese) which of course I cannot eat and which he is quite capable of doing but if I hadn't he would have had the kids go out to the freezer and find some frozen dinner and make then make it them self. These poor kids (10 and 12) have to fen for themselves a lot of the time at home cause mommy is either too busy with boyfriend or too busy playing video game and I don't think it's too much for him to get off his butt and make them something while I heal. So today we have to go get our haircut go get 3 grandkids bring them out to eat at mcdonalds than go play.minigolf and than go get Ice cream. And the only way it won't happen is if I be the bad guy and say no. He can't let then eat at home and pick them up after on his suggestion I have to be the bad guy and say no.. which I'm sorry ain't going to happem.. so than tonight we have support group which I don't want to go to cause I'm the only fat person there. . I didn't want to go till I had lost enough weight that someone would notice. But i have to go cause if I don't go he won't go and it will be all my fault for keeping him from going. Plus Sunday night has always been treat night.. i looked forward to it every Sunday I would get Chinese chicken fingers. This will be the first Sunday that I actually am well enough to think about it. So everything is wrong and I cant fix anything.. and guess what even though you guys arnt going to approve I AM VERY upset about not loosing any weight today.
At least if I lost weight my struggle would be worth something.. now its not worth anything.
So I have an appt with my therapist and that's not going to help cause she's just going to ask me stupid questions like always and I'm going to give the wrong answers like always.
I just suck at life (that's my daughters saying to me) and it's true. .
How's that for one big stupid pitty party
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Post by newyorkbitch on Jul 20, 2014 8:38:20 GMT -5
We ALL understand how you feel. ALL OF US. WE HAVE ALL BEEN THERE.
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Post by west4thavenue on Jul 20, 2014 9:37:45 GMT -5
Sorry guys - we all know that you have an easier time losing weight and do not have to deal with menopause issues. So this one if for the girls. As I progress with this diet (should be moving into pureed this weekend), I want to start charting my weight loss. What were your average weight loss in a given month? I know when the RNY was good back in 2001-2002, I could average between 6-10 pounds. When I got home from the surgery, I was able to drop 12 pounds in 11 days. I was in heaven. Now it has slowed down. I will be focusing on getting back to my regular self (exercise), carb counting and healthy eating. I am definitely compliant to the rules of this surgery and will be trying to maintain no more than 50 carbs a day. Any words of wisdom? Cindy, how are you doing?
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Post by Joanne on Jul 20, 2014 10:20:44 GMT -5
Cheryl,
You dont know me. I used to be quite a regular poster here, and have been dealing with family health issues for over a year. I only get to pop in from time to time and read, but rarely post.
Being a patient also of Dr Roslin, I've been following your story and have a few minutes today that I actually do want to write to you.
I dont feel that anyone is attacking you. And we do understand. Everyone one of us has either had or is contemplating WLS. You don't get to that point without struggling with obesity for a long time.
I'm concerned when I read your post about your immediate expectations. Try not to think about this as a diet, think about it as the rest of your life. Every day weighing is controversial - it is controversial for all the reasons you're saying. It can set off a big swing of emotions and feeling like a failure if you dont see the result you want. It is totally normal for weight to fluctuate every day. It has more to do with fluids than fat. I tell you this as a daily weigher myself. I have weighed myself every day that I can for 5 years. But the difference is that if I see something I dont like, I know to put it in perspective. You cannot expect that your weight is going to go down every day, even in the rapid weight loss phase. In fact, it may go up some days. It's normal. You have to prepare for that.
I think as people who have struggled with obesity, it's natural to have that fear of failure. I cant tell you how many diets I started and stopped before my DS, and I would always fail. I imagine as a revision that your fear of failure is multiples of what it was for me. But you have to learn to trust your DS. It works. It's not healthy for you to think in terms of starving yourself. It wont maximize your weight loss. It will tank your metabolism and hurt you both nutrtionwise, and as far as future maintenance of your loss.
For the first year there is very little you can do to fail or ruin things in terms of weight loss, but there is plenty you can do to ruin your health from a nutritional standpoint. And there is plenty you can do to negatively impact your emotional health if you think of this as a diet, and rule your day by the scale.
It sounds like some of your family relationships are problems. People are motivated by different things, and can sabotage you. I think therapy is a great idea - it doesnt make you a failure or weak - it makes you someone who is standing up for yourself and putting your own needs first.
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Post by cherylbaker on Jul 20, 2014 11:04:07 GMT -5
I don't feel anyone is listening to me.. i NOT trying to starve myself. I try to eat but it makes me feel so bloated i feel like I ate a 10 lb steak. . At the same time I am starving. I am soooo friggin hungry I dunno what to do. 2 oz in an hr is the most I can do and it is really wearing me down. I welcome any and all thoughts about what could be wrong with me or what I can do. I fear if I do not get this under control I will Wind up in the hospital. The only good thing is my protein shake is 29 grams for 1(4oz) and I usually get in 2 a day so protein should be ok but liquids are really a problem. I have tried yogart, protein sf pudding ,broth (which seems to work ok as far as not upsetting me but even that I can only do 3 oz) sf pops (same as broth ) water (again this let's me get 3oz). I keep thinking give it time it will get better but I fear it won't.
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Post by Joanne on Jul 20, 2014 11:42:32 GMT -5
Everything you're describing is completely normal for where you are in the recovery process.
What isn't lining up is your expectation. I'm not saying that to criticize you, I'm trying to help you.
You are recovering from major, major surgery. It's normal to only be able to eat a few bites. Eat small amounts, as frequently as you feel hungry. Try not to measure ANYTHING other than fluids. They are non-negotiable. Even protein, you can work up to where you need to be in time.
Try a few bites of what you want. A few bites of scrambled egg. A few bites of cheese. Some sips of broth. Stop after a few bites. When you feel hungry again - whether that is 5 minutes or 2 hours later - do the same again. There is no reason to be hungry. And there's no reason to not eat when you're hungry. I think we all get used to years of diets, counting, and rules that we forget to listen to our bodies.
In time you will be able to eat much much more, but your new stomach is still healing. Baby it, and yourself.
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Post by Joanne on Jul 20, 2014 11:44:12 GMT -5
The bloated full feeling IS because you are full. Your new stomach has a very small capacity. It will change and stretch as you heal.
Dont try to cram too much in there, too quickly. Even if you do one bite every 15 minutes all day long if that's what you need to do. It will change. Think about where you are now as all about healing and recovery than weight loss.
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Post by goodkel on Jul 20, 2014 12:40:38 GMT -5
The bloated full feeling IS because you are full. Your new stomach has a very small capacity. It will change and stretch as you heal. Dont try to cram too much in there, too quickly. Even if you do one bite every 15 minutes all day long if that's what you need to do. It will change. Think about where you are now as all about healing and recovery than weight loss. Exactly. Think of yourself as a baby. Two teaspoons of something every two hours is perfectly normal because that is all a small, swollen new stomach can comfortably hold. Same with drinking. Get a toddler's sippy cup and never let it leave your hand. Sip, sip, sip, small sips all day long.
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Post by historytracker on Jul 20, 2014 13:00:26 GMT -5
Wow did I open up a can of worms with this discussion. Thank you for your interest and your comments with this section. But I have some issues mentally. When I had RNY - I got down to this weight. Then I started having issues with losing weight. I started at 380 before the surgery and I struggled getting the pounds off. It didn't matter with diet and exercise - nothing was happening. Was I carb conscious? no. I think I have been depressed with having the JP drain and feeding tube for 18 days (got them out Friday). There is nothing sexy about it. My husband is noticing a difference and asked me if I would buy a thong. Really?
Now I am wearing the clothes (18-20) that I wore with my lowest weight. I can get into all those clothes now. I am grateful for the weight that I took off before surgery. But in the back of my mind - I am plagued by will this actually work?
I do weight myself everyday. Record it in a book along with the weekly average and comments regarding exercise. I feel physically great. The reason why you have not seen my posting is because I have been canning and freezing vegetables from our garden. Also I have been cleaning out closet, donating clothes and in a few weeks plan on painting my bedroom. Physically I am fine. Dr. G. said the incision looks great and he is happy with the weight loss thus far.
I will be seeing my cardiologist on August 6 and I will be speaking to him about starting a kick boxing program. I went back through the bariatric program dietary book and saw the nutritional requirements for Stage III - pureed (400-500 calories, less than 11 grams of fat and 60 grams of protein. I recorded this in My Fitness Pal where I am recording what I eat in a given day. I do understand that I may stall, that is part of the process.
What I feel is very different than RNY. Maybe I should not be comparing the two, but the sleeve is so much bigger than the pouch. I asked Dr. G what is the size of my sleeve and he said in cc and then figured it to be around 3.5 oz. I know I will always focus on no more than 50 gram of carbs a day, but what bothers me is now I am required to have no more than 11 grams of fat. Don't we malabsorb 80% fat? I love cheese and would enjoy eating more cheese and less of the freaking yogurt which has 9 grams of carb. Guess this is a question for dietary.
Has anyone else with a revision of RNY to DS felt the same way? I was ready to crush pills and did not expect that I could swallow these vitamins.
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Post by newyorkbitch on Jul 20, 2014 13:22:15 GMT -5
That fat limitation is nonsensical.
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Post by cherylbaker on Jul 20, 2014 13:26:06 GMT -5
Everything you're describing is completely normal for where you are in the recovery process. What isn't lining up is your expectation. I'm not saying that to criticize you, I'm trying to help you. You are recovering from major, major surgery. It's normal to only be able to eat a few bites. Eat small amounts, as frequently as you feel hungry. Try not to measure ANYTHING other than fluids. They are non-negotiable. Even protein, you can work up to where you need to be in time. Try a few bites of what you want. A few bites of scrambled egg. A few bites of cheese. Some sips of broth. Stop after a few bites. When you feel hungry again - whether that is 5 minutes or 2 hours later - do the same again. There is no reason to be hungry. And there's no reason to not eat when you're hungry. I think we all get used to years of diets, counting, and rules that we forget to listen to our bodies. In time you will be able to eat much much more, but your new stomach is still healing. Baby it, and yourself. I'm not on food yet. Only protein drinks, water, yogart, sf pops and pudding .. Fyi 18 holes of mini golf is too much for not quite 2 weeks post surgery.
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Post by goodkel on Jul 20, 2014 13:33:23 GMT -5
Cindy, Sorry, your thread kind of got hijacked.
Some new post ops have enough issues with loose stools and they can't handle the addition of a lot of fat so well, yet. If it doesn't give you any problems, have at it.
Surely, you've read numerous times by now that our surgeons are not reliable for providing accurate diet or vitamin advice. The only time we encourage you to follow their guidelines is immediately postop. They have seen what has worked best with their own patients in early recovery. But, much of the ongoing info they provide is more geared towards RnY patients.
You definitely do not need to be restricting calories. Ever. Eat until you are full and as often as you are hungry.
It is not how much you eat that matters, but what you eat.
I never counted carbs and certainly not in full fat dairy items. I just avoided flour, rice, sugar, vegetables, and fruit and the count worked out on its own.
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Post by west4thavenue on Jul 20, 2014 13:49:03 GMT -5
Wow did I open up a can of worms with this discussion. Thank you for your interest and your comments with this section. But I have some issues mentally. When I had RNY - I got down to this weight. Then I started having issues with losing weight. I started at 380 before the surgery and I struggled getting the pounds off. It didn't matter with diet and exercise - nothing was happening. Was I carb conscious? no. I think I have been depressed with having the JP drain and feeding tube for 18 days (got them out Friday). There is nothing sexy about it. My husband is noticing a difference and asked me if I would buy a thong. Really? Now I am wearing the clothes (18-20) that I wore with my lowest weight. I can get into all those clothes now. I am grateful for the weight that I took off before surgery. But in the back of my mind - I am plagued by will this actually work? I do weight myself everyday. Record it in a book along with the weekly average and comments regarding exercise. I feel physically great. The reason why you have not seen my posting is because I have been canning and freezing vegetables from our garden. Also I have been cleaning out closet, donating clothes and in a few weeks plan on painting my bedroom. Physically I am fine. Dr. G. said the incision looks great and he is happy with the weight loss thus far. I will be seeing my cardiologist on August 6 and I will be speaking to him about starting a kick boxing program. I went back through the bariatric program dietary book and saw the nutritional requirements for Stage III - pureed (400-500 calories, less than 11 grams of fat and 60 grams of protein. I recorded this in My Fitness Pal where I am recording what I eat in a given day. I do understand that I may stall, that is part of the process. What I feel is very different than RNY. Maybe I should not be comparing the two, but the sleeve is so much bigger than the pouch. I asked Dr. G what is the size of my sleeve and he said in cc and then figured it to be around 3.5 oz. I know I will always focus on no more than 50 gram of carbs a day, but what bothers me is now I am required to have no more than 11 grams of fat. Don't we malabsorb 80% fat? I love cheese and would enjoy eating more cheese and less of the freaking yogurt which has 9 grams of carb. Guess this is a question for dietary. Has anyone else with a revision of RNY to DS felt the same way? I was ready to crush pills and did not expect that I could swallow these vitamins. You sound good!
Yes, we malabsorb fat (80% - 90%). I don't know why your fat intake is being limited. Did your surgeon explain his reasoning for this to you?
Please...HOLD the kickboxing for a few months, Cindy. Your mind and heart may be up to it, but you need more time to heal internally. You are at way too much risk for injury or hernia this early out. You are such a go getter, I know you want to push yourself, but this is not a good idea.
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Post by illinids2 on Jul 20, 2014 14:05:09 GMT -5
Cheryl, please stop and listen to what you are being told...they are 100% correct. . BTW pudding is absolutely food.
Liquids are the most important at 2 weeks. It was 2-3 months before I got 64 oz of liquids in daily. Yes I made several trips to the ER for fluids and a kidney stone my Dr thought might have been a marginal ulcer. I got hardly any protein those first couple months and today at almost 10 months I have lost a whole person, almost 175 pounds (under 25 BMI and I am a pencil neck now).
Did you get on a PPI as I advised? Heartburn/GERD will keep you feeling horrible and unable to eat much....
Anyway, please stop being defensive and listen to the genuine concern, support and great advice you are receiving.
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Post by Joanne on Jul 20, 2014 14:29:12 GMT -5
I'm not a revision, but I can somewhat relate to your feelings.
When I started out with my DS 5 years ago, as a pre-op and a newbie my secret plan was to STILL diet - my false logic being if I still malabsorb what I eat, wouldnt I be that much ahead of the game? That much less?
I know it doesnt make sense, but that is wrong. I have a theory, which I'll give you, but I dont know if it's true or not. The only thing I can tell you without a doubt is for me, more fat = more weight loss. It doesnt matter how many overall caloriesI eat, even if it's in the 3,000 - 4,000 range, as long as it's primarily fat and protein.
My theory is the high fat increases transit time. That food moves faster through our system so it absorbs even less. Did I ever read this or was it told to me by my doctor? No. I dont even know if it's right - it's just the way I explain it to myself. Just last week my friend made me a cheesecake. I ate cheesecake every night. I lost 3 pounds. Now, cheesecake isn't the best example because there are carbs in there, but there is also fat.
11g of fat a day is in no way enough. If I did that, I would be constipated, and my skin would be flaking off. I know medical professionals mean well, but they aren't living with a DS.
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Post by newyorkbitch on Jul 20, 2014 14:52:22 GMT -5
Cindy, for 6 weeks you should limit your exercise to walking. Then SLOWLY, and I mean SLOWLY, you can start to build up...and that means VERY SLOWLY add in MODERATE exercise and stay at each stage for a could of weeks and then SLOWLY add something else, like increase your walking speed, do some LIGHT weights, start swimming. SLLLLOOOWWWWLLLLYYYY. Kickboxing is for like 6 months from now.
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Post by Girlrocker on Jul 20, 2014 15:17:17 GMT -5
Hi Cindy, it's good to hear from you! Any food/diet mentality is hard to shake, we didn't get this way overnight; and the DS is absolutely different. My surgeon commented my 3rd day, 'you already feel the difference from your RNY, don't you; and he was right. SO different! It's pretty normal to be comparing the two, and having been through one malabsorptive procedure there are definitely things from the RNY process that will help you now. I know the drains, and such in longer are a nuisance, and so is being on liquids and going slow. But you have to baby your insides, this revision as stated here is BIG. Like, huge. Some of the biggest manhandling in a part of the body that does not like being touched (intestines). It will get better, I know being idle, not at full speed isn't easy for a major doer like you, but this is one time you do have to go with the slower flow. Trust me, you'll make up for time later! The pouch and sleeve are very different, with the sleeving we also lose the part of the stomach that produces gherlin (hunger) which rocks. But the main difference isn't so much the change in size from pouch to sleeve, but the way each are configured; and what really expedites our weight loss - and the key - keeping it off is the malabsorptive switch. It's the switch that gives us the metabolic reset. I completely empathize the anxiety from going down this familiar road again - weight range before, the clothes, what it all meant. I was pretty nuts in my recovery and glad I was home a long time, I was all over the place emotionally, lot of fear, anxiety about surgery working this time, failing again. I wish I could say it goes away, but it takes a bit of time, you'll get to a certain point in your continuing weight loss proccess that honestly, just helps get you over that hump of fear. In the meantime you do what you need to do, and correct, our surgeons don't always have the best nutrition advice, I learned far more from people living the experience. Much of what was posted for Cheryl will also help you, in terms of what you are working toward. The DS Math thread is great. I liked numbers like that, the 30/60/90/120g protein guide, the 50g carb, because it gave me needed structure while I felt temporarily insane And while I learned more fully what the DS was, now that I was living it, not just reading about it. Applied science if you will, different perspective. I felt like either I forgot half of what I read or I had 'ah-ha' moments, as in, 'now I know what they're talking about'. As you get further out and start progressing more foods, you'll really feel fat/carb consumption. I didn't eat full fat or dairy right away, I had to ease into it. My first 'meal' just like during my RNY was a scrambled egg with low fat cheese and it was the best thing ever. My first more solid food was a turkey cheese deli roll-up. The fat transition was the hardest for me, after years of low-fat,non-fat, steaming everything, never using oils, always cooking/using alternative products like Smart Balance for butter and mayo. I remember telling my surgeon, I can NOT start eating greasy fried everything and stuff drowned in alfredo sauce. He's like so don't! I had to experiment a lot but I found my happy spots with fat, which includes cheese, butter, heavy cream, lots of cheeseburgers with ground beef again instead of ground turkey breast, guacamole/avocado, whole mayo in my tuna/egg salad. I'm going to tell you, my workout routine has completely changed. I'm no longer ball and chained to the gym for my weight loss, 5-6 days a week, tons of cardio, bootcamp, etc, Now I get to workout for my health, to benefit my weight maintenance, I hike because I live in California. I'm looking forward to my hernia surgery/abdominal reconstruction being behind me so I can resume some of the things I love without worrying about my core like spin, weight training, it's fun to work on my body that is smaller and leaner now. However, you should hold off from kick-boxing or anything too strenuous right now, walking, moving up to eliptical stair machines, treadmill ok, build up your cardio strength. Hold off on the high intensity classes until much later, when you are able to eat/nourish more, 6 months or longer. I also have up to 75g-00g carbs some days now because I do exercise. I kept them low, 50 or under, to maximize my weight loss window and keep nipping my carb monster addict in the bud.
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Post by historytracker on Jul 20, 2014 18:23:32 GMT -5
Thank you. As far as the kick boxing class I need to get the blessings of my doctors first I seriously need more calories as I will pass out! I am not looking into starting hopefully sometime after September.
Cheryl - you are right there is anxiety about being on that road again. I may need to call you from time to time. Right now the goal for me is to break 220 and then 200. I just started pureed diet and had some tuna (3oz with light mayo). Everything was good. I cannot wait for "normal" and that will not happen until late August. Who knows maybe I will not settle into my normal until later that year. What I am grateful is that the surgeon has done his part and now I have to do mine.
I am glad you all mentioned about the fat intake. Maybe this dietary book is generic for the surgeries. It is the same for the lap band, sleeve, rny and the only difference is the DS has a calorie limit. It is not going to kill me to have a little more protein withe some cheese which has no carbs. Today I went over 1 gram of fat - big deal.
I will try to keep you guys posted and hopefully I can change my picture because that was about 50 pounds ago.
Cindy
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Post by goodkel on Jul 20, 2014 18:37:29 GMT -5
Thank you. As far as the kick boxing class I need to get the blessings of my doctors first I seriously need more calories as I will pass out! I am not looking into starting hopefully sometime after September. Cheryl - you are right there is anxiety about being on that road again. I may need to call you from time to time. Right now the goal for me is to break 220 and then 200. I just started pureed diet and had some tuna (3oz with light mayo). Everything was good. I cannot wait for "normal" and that will not happen until late August. Who knows maybe I will not settle into my normal until later that year. What I am grateful is that the surgeon has done his part and now I have to do mine. I am glad you all mentioned about the fat intake. Maybe this dietary book is generic for the surgeries. It is the same for the lap band, sleeve, rny and the only difference is the DS has a calorie limit. It is not going to kill me to have a little more protein withe some cheese which has no carbs. Today I went over 1 gram of fat - big deal. I will try to keep you guys posted and hopefully I can change my picture because that was about 50 pounds ago. Cindy Don't use anything labeled "lite", "light", "low fat", or "fat free." To make those products more palatable after removing the fat, they add sugar. Use full fat everything. Fat is your friend.
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Post by Joanne on Jul 20, 2014 19:19:50 GMT -5
Thank you. As far as the kick boxing class I need to get the blessings of my doctors first I seriously need more calories as I will pass out! I am not looking into starting hopefully sometime after September. Cheryl - you are right there is anxiety about being on that road again. I may need to call you from time to time. Right now the goal for me is to break 220 and then 200. I just started pureed diet and had some tuna (3oz with light mayo). Everything was good. I cannot wait for "normal" and that will not happen until late August. Who knows maybe I will not settle into my normal until later that year. What I am grateful is that the surgeon has done his part and now I have to do mine. I am glad you all mentioned about the fat intake. Maybe this dietary book is generic for the surgeries. It is the same for the lap band, sleeve, rny and the only difference is the DS has a calorie limit. It is not going to kill me to have a little more protein withe some cheese which has no carbs. Today I went over 1 gram of fat - big deal. I will try to keep you guys posted and hopefully I can change my picture because that was about 50 pounds ago. Cindy Don't use anything labeled "lite", "light", "low fat", or "fat free." To make those products more palatable after removing the fat, they add sugar. Use full fat everything. Fat is your friend. I eat exactly the way Kelly describes. I use full fat everything, and as much as I want. I know some people who go out of their way for extra fat. I dont do that, but I just use what I enjoy. I've eaten this way for 5 years and it serves me well. I lost all my excess weight (and then some), and maintain where I'm at. To give you an example, here's what I ate today: B - Iced coffee with Splenda, and Half and Half. I like them light, so a lot of Half and Half in a large iced coffee Protein shake made with water, ice, and a big splash of cream. L - Toppings off Buffalo chicken pizza and a bit of crust - 1 slice Watermelon S - Fage Full Fat Greek Yogurt with frozen berries and splash of cream, sf vanilla syrup D - Zucchini ribbon "pasta" - Zucchini ribbons sauteed in oiive oil with garlic, and sprinkled with fresh grated parm Pork chop on the grill Milk really bothered me early out, too, but things change over time. Up until last week I would have told you nothing bothers me now, but one day last week I was stuck at the hospital and was hungry so I ate a bag of Combos. An hour later the cramps and bloating were almost intolerable, and let's just say the bathroom was unpleasant. I think if you hold off on what bothers you now, and try to reintroduce a small amount n a month or so that you might be surprised. It will change and change again and again.
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Post by teachermomolp on Jul 20, 2014 22:47:23 GMT -5
Cheryl, Try to process what our support group is telling you. I think it's frustrating for the vets to have you constantly second guessing them. They know what they are talking about. We can all support you- but you have to listen and process. Read and think about what you read. This is serious and it's not like every other f-ed up diet we've all been on. Heal. Be calm. Make progress. Listen. And then process again. We want to be a support group for you. Let us.
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Post by historytracker on Jul 21, 2014 3:36:47 GMT -5
All right full fat it is. I need to question this with dietary at some point. I think the book is too generic. I am not going crazy with this. My major concern is just tolerate what I am eating and making sure to keep the carb count low. I need to focus on healing.
Thank you.
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Post by Girlrocker on Jul 21, 2014 9:09:23 GMT -5
All right full fat it is. I need to question this with dietary at some point. I think the book is too generic. I am not going crazy with this. My major concern is just tolerate what I am eating and making sure to keep the carb count low. I need to focus on healing. Thank you. I hate to say it but this book probably not going to be super helpful for you. Do read the DS Math thread, about how we absorb, it really helped drill it into my head. I had to work my way into full-on fat in my early post-op recovery time, once I was off the feeding tube (after 6 weeks)/liquids only, my insides couldn't handle it, except for an egg. But yes, it IS what you are working toward, think Atkins, and if you aren't familiar, it's a good program to read, DSers use/live much of what he talks about. I've since learned a lot about full (good) fat and the benefits for women - from real butter to heavy cream to avocado/nuts to olive oil/flavored oils for cooking and dressings. And for me, cheese, I love cheese so much and it's been a joy to be able to eat it again with total abandon, no worries about fat/calories, it's a perfect protein/fat food for me. I do like bacon, but it's not something I eat every day. Generally speaking, in my revision recovery, I had to really ease into things - we're all different, and the only way you'll know is by trying different items in the approve range of progression you're in. But to start I did continue using my Smart Balance, lower fat cheese/cottage cheese options, soy-based products for chicken, burger patties, chorizo for tiny omlette, and then worked up to full fat of all after about 6 months. I was way hip to the added sugars in some fat-free/lite foods long ago, not a problem for a few products to use until I could switch over. For weeks early post-op I lived on: protein shakes egg 'n cheese, cottage cheese, peanubutter, hummus, tomato soup with pureed tofu and parmesean cheese, sugar free popsicles, jello and sf pudding with protein scoops. That's because it was all I handle or my taste buds could stand, it all came back gradually. A typical day for me now, and I don't label my meals so much as just count them: 1. Double scoop protein shake, sometimes with berries blended in for a smoothie 2, 2 eggs with cheese cooked in butter, breakfast sausage, slice of Udi's Gluten Free toast, also with butter 3. Un-taco salad: ground beef, shredded cheese, sour cream, avocado, pico de gallo, salsa, shredded lettuce, 5-6 corn chips to scoop 4. 1 cup greek yogurt with scoop of chocolate protein, 1 non-dairy hazelnut creamer 5. Homemade chicken tenders pan sauteed in butter/corn oil, dipped in ranch Today, other favorite 'mini meals' include: tuna & spinach salad, egg salad (use some kind of gluten-alternative cracker or chip, or sometimes none at all) my homemade crustless quiche with cream cheese, shredded cheese, artichoke, spinach, red/yellow peppers, or classic quiche lorraine hot dogs with melted cheese burger patty with melted cheese 1/2 deli sandwich (1 slice Udis gluten free toast piled with turkey, ham, roast beef, or salami, cheese) often eat the deli with the bread beef satay, peanut sauce, cucumber salad my homemade bbq ribs, bbq chicken drumsticks my homemade meatloaf (ground beef or whole fat ground turkey) my homemade meatballs with marinara, melted cheese (ground beef or whole fat ground turkey) my homemade bolognese sauce or Trader Joes turkey bolognese with a bit of brown rice or brown rice pasta chinese/thai/vietnamese beef/chicken dishes and order extra meat,or just choose pre-prepared options heavier on meat, moderate vegetables, bit of brown rice or no rice cream cheese pancakes - savory and sweet my homemade quinoa mini cakes vehicle for my egg or other protein un-pizza - melted cheese, pepperoni, marinara and parmesean cheese or caulflower pizza or low-carb tortilla pizza quesedilla And this is the 'short list' Not bad a life to look forward to right?!
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