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Post by historytracker on Jul 16, 2014 4:49:45 GMT -5
Sorry guys - we all know that you have an easier time losing weight and do not have to deal with menopause issues. So this one if for the girls.
As I progress with this diet (should be moving into pureed this weekend), I want to start charting my weight loss. What were your average weight loss in a given month? I know when the RNY was good back in 2001-2002, I could average between 6-10 pounds.
When I got home from the surgery, I was able to drop 12 pounds in 11 days. I was in heaven. Now it has slowed down. I will be focusing on getting back to my regular self (exercise), carb counting and healthy eating. I am definitely compliant to the rules of this surgery and will be trying to maintain no more than 50 carbs a day.
Any words of wisdom?
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Post by jpcello on Jul 16, 2014 5:05:13 GMT -5
There are no averages. Everyone is different and loses differently. You are a revision so you are definitely going to lose differently (and probably more slowly) that a virgin DS.
Words of wisdom - don't think about how others are losing. As long as you stay true to yourself, stay focused on protein and fluids, watch your carbs, you will be successful. That's all that matters.
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Post by newyorkbitch on Jul 16, 2014 6:11:50 GMT -5
Ditto. And everybody month may be different, you may have stalls, etc.
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Post by OnMyWay2Thin on Jul 16, 2014 6:15:36 GMT -5
Cindy, you seem to be doing so good and since we had the same surgeon I read all your posts. Keep up the great work! I can't answer your question but I can tell you, you inspire me.
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Post by caprice on Jul 16, 2014 8:00:20 GMT -5
From the vantage point of nearly 7 years out from my DS:
I have no clue how much I lost and when. I do know that my clothes started getting looser, and it was getting easier to move around.
I struggled to keep hydrated and nourished, and the complications from those two things consumed me. I SO didn't care what the stupid scale said.
That to say: Years from now, you may see this tracking of every ounce lost as a pretty pointless exercise. Energy spent on staying nourished and hydrated might be a better option.
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Post by Girlrocker on Jul 16, 2014 8:19:45 GMT -5
You know, something I've learned from this whole bariatric process that started with my RNY in 2002, is that what really is key is long-term weight loss and management. My DS revision process has freed me up from diet/lose per month mindset. After the crushing experience of nearly a complete regain from the RNY, I approached my DS differently. I had a target weight goal/range in mind. I know the surgery works most efficiently the first 12-18 months. I knew my body was metabolically flatlined, and wasn't sure just how much reset I would actually get from the DS or how long it would work or how efficiently. I knew that I was going to do everything I could to get to that goal range within that time frame. I couldn't tell you either how much per week, per month. I can only tell you within 1 year I got to the 160s, my goal weight; and than in the next 6 months dropped into my mid-high 150s. Now, as of less than 2.5 years later, I'm in my high 160s, not sure how much of that is hernia related, menopause related, or how much is natural bounce related.
We regained weight with the RNY because the RNY does nothing for the metabolism; that is far more key than what weight we started at, if we were heavy weights or a light weight like me (280 for my RNY, 315 highest weight, 240s for my DS revision).
You had a nice drop to get started - it's like an induction phase of any diet plan.You had already lost weight before surgery, which is tremendous. You're off to a great start. Now you will progress - working up to more grams of protein, using the 30/60/90g and the 50g carbs as a guide. I learned from my RNY and all my complications, hernia surgery, that I benefited from 'protein loading' so I had no trouble getting in 60g of protein a day early on post op and I was on a feeding tube, so I did this through protein shakes (doubling my scoops) and protein supplements like bullets. This was my choice, because I also knew a revision surgery would not likely have the pace of a virgin DS surgery, and after being through complications, I wanted to be as nourished this time as possible. And even virgin DS surgeries lose at this rate - like a stair stepper, drops, stalls, resume. As long as the scale is going down, that's what you want. I can't begin to impress enough that getting to a goal range has been amazing, knowing I have a REAL shot now at staying here is how I have peace at last.
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Post by west4thavenue on Jul 16, 2014 8:57:29 GMT -5
As long as the scale is going down, that's what you want. I can't begin to impress enough that getting to a goal range has been amazing, knowing I have a REAL shot now at staying here is how I have peace at last. Once again, Sharyl's response packs a big punch.
Cindy, I think we have lived so much of our lives in a quiet state of panic. Before the DS, losing weight seemed to require us to be obsessive. The inevitable regain that followed reinforced a failure mentality in us. It is time to hang old ways of thinking up forever. There are simply too many variables, particularly with women, for us to be comparing averages or thinking, "well, she lost x pounds in her first 3 months". Everyone is going to be different. To compare your stats to someone else's sets you up for that all too well known disappointment, the old way of thinking, and we have all had quite enough of that, thank you.
You have done so well! You have a remarkable ability to focus and accomplish things beautifully. It shows in what you have shared with us about your career and your marriage. I know you will meet your goal.
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Post by goodkel on Jul 16, 2014 11:11:40 GMT -5
That first batch of weight you lost was likely mostly water weight.
Do not expect the scale to always go down. Sometimes there may be stalls when you don't lose for four weeks or more. Sometimes the scale will go up a few pounds. Always the rate will slow the further out you get from surgery. It all means NOTHING.
If you want an accurate measure of your progress, measure yourself. You will likely lose inches even when you are not losing pounds on the scale.
Who cares about numbers on a scale? No one sees the scale. But, everyone will be able to see that you are losing inches.
Unless you only weigh yourself at your 3 month lab appointments, the scale is an unreliable marker of your success.
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Post by nursemelanie on Jul 16, 2014 15:59:21 GMT -5
Although I am and will probably continue to be one who weighs daily, I know the importance of measurements. The thing I'm the most excited about this week is the 1.5" I lost off my neck! Noticed in the mirror and decided to measure it.
I think we'll do great Cindy, as long as we stick to the basic rules!;D
7-1-14 VSG to DS w/ gallbladder removal, adhesion removals & repair hiatal hernia Dr Boyce, Knoxville, TN HW 282 /SW 270 /CW 258/ Goal Weight 143 lbs =127lbs Loss/ WL to Date -24 lbs = 19% of goal
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Post by goodkel on Jul 16, 2014 19:33:58 GMT -5
I was the stall queen. I "stalled" at every major thresh hold. One month, 3 months, 6 months, 1 year, etc. Also 250, 200, 175, 150, and the killer was when I was close to a normal BMI.
Unfortunately I didn't measure. It would have saved me some stress if I had. But, I did notice how my clothes all became noticeably looser when the scale wasn't moving. Focusing on that helped ease the "I'm the only one that the DS won't work for" panic.
Congrats on the neck, Melanie! I love to see faces begin to emerge from the cocoon.
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Post by teachermomolp on Jul 16, 2014 19:44:18 GMT -5
I'm like Monica- I've been in a panic since age 15 when I started this whole dieting nightmare. I still weigh every few days, but now I don't panic when I go up because I KNOW I will go down! It's like I can't F&*( this up! I'm losing about 10 pounds a month right now, but I've been pretty sick too. I'm also a "stall queen" so there is no steady loss going on anywhere near my scale. I'll wake up and be down 6 pounds...no rhyme or reason. I've stopped stressing... I say keep weighing- that's the only way I came to believe this would work!
Incidentally, saw a new doc today. He asked me if I had the sleeve. I said no, I had the DS and he said "Oh, the big guns, huh?" You got that right- like you, I'm DONE playing around!
Keep up the good work!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2014 9:18:47 GMT -5
When I got home from the surgery, I was able to drop 12 pounds in 11 days. I was in heaven. Now it has slowed down. I will be focusing on getting back to my regular self (exercise), carb counting and healthy eating. I am definitely compliant to the rules of this surgery and will be trying to maintain no more than 50 carbs a day. Any words of wisdom? Ya, words of wisdom.... Throw healthy eating out the window!!! Exerscise, Not for a few more months at least. Walking is just fine for now.. NO EXERCISE CLASSES... Our heathly eating is not lean meats and lots of veggies now. It is Cheese, bacon, Dark meat chicken, Med-rare steaks, Pulled pork swimming in its own juices, seafood with lots of butter, eggs, nuts, beans, and all in between. Good on keeping carbs to less than 50, BUT don't deny yourself something you want. STAY HAPPY!! have a peice of a cookie, or a peice of Dark chocolate, or a taste of ice cream when the opportunity arises. (I'm not saying go looking for it..) NO salads yet.. That lettuce or spinach is just wasting room that could be used for more protein or fat.. Finding a balance can be hard. but it also has to be a balance you can live with and be happy with..
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Post by cherylbaker on Jul 18, 2014 10:20:28 GMT -5
Sorry guys - we all know that you have an easier time losing weight and do not have to deal with menopause issues. So this one if for the girls. As I progress with this diet (should be moving into pureed this weekend), I want to start charting my weight loss. What were your average weight loss in a given month? I know when the RNY was good back in 2001-2002, I could average between 6-10 pounds. When I got home from the surgery, I was able to drop 12 pounds in 11 days. I was in heaven. Now it has slowed down. I will be focusing on getting back to my regular self (exercise), carb counting and healthy eating. I am definitely compliant to the rules of this surgery and will be trying to maintain no more than 50 carbs a day. Any words of wisdom? No wisdom from me I'm following you ha Ha ha. . My question to you is it slowed. . At what point and hiw much did it slow. I'm 10 days post op and have lost 18 lbs. . I know this won't keep up forever as I haven't even started eating yet ha ha ha. I have 14 more days on full liquids. Would reallllllllly like it if I could lose 18 more over those 2 weeks. Although I would be happy with 14. I mean even the next stage Doesn't add much.. eggs is the only thing I see of any interest. I'm really anxious about actually eating food. That was hard for me with the bypass as everything made me sick. I know now that I have my pyloric valve things should be different but I fear the fear of swallowing food is going to be hard to overcome on its own after 14 yrs. Prior to this if food didn't smash up into practically liquid I didn't eat it.
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Post by newyorkbitch on Jul 18, 2014 10:47:59 GMT -5
Cheryl, for goodness' sake, this is not a sprint, this is a marathon.
GET OFF THE SCALE.
Why do you care if you lose 18 or 14 or 10 pounds over the next two weeks. Why does it matter?
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Post by goodkel on Jul 18, 2014 12:01:44 GMT -5
You are EXPECTED to gain weight or stall in early post op. This is why: Our bodies use glycogen for short term energy storage. Glycogen is not very soluble, but it is stored in our muscles for quick energy -- one pound of glycogen requires 4 lbs of water to keep it soluble, and the average glycogen storage capacity is about 2 lbs. So, when you are not getting in enough food, your body turns first to stored glycogen, which is easy to break down for energy. And when you use up 2 lbs of glycogen, you also lose 8 lbs of water that was used to store it -- voila -- the "easy" 10 lbs that most people lose in the first week of a diet. As you stay in caloric deficit, however, your body starts to realize that this is not a short term problem. You start mobilizing fat from your adipose tissue and burning fat for energy. But your body also realizes that fat can't be used for short bursts of energy -- like, to outrun a saber tooth tiger. So, it starts converting some of the fat into glycogen, and rebuilding the glycogen stores. And as it puts back the 2 lbs of glycogen into the muscle, 8 lbs of water has to be stored with it to keep it soluble. So, even though you might still be LOSING energy content to your body, your weight will not go down or you might even GAIN for a while as you retain water to dissolve the glycogen that is being reformed and stored. Read more: weightlosssurgery.proboards.com/search/results?what_at_least_one=glycogen&who_only_made_by=0&display_as=0#ixzz37q9khVE0
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2014 14:16:18 GMT -5
One more thing, If your in a stall and think that eating less will break it, YOUR WRONG!!!! Eat more! Your body is looking for calories to replentish the glycogen stores in your muscles. Remember, your only absorbing about 50% of what you eat now. if you only eat 1000 cals, your only absorbing and using 500. You should be tracking your food if your not already.
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Post by cherylbaker on Jul 18, 2014 14:25:21 GMT -5
Cheryl, for goodness' sake, this is not a sprint, this is a marathon. GET OFF THE SCALE. Why do you care if you lose 18 or 14 or 10 pounds over the next two weeks. Why does it matter? Well you gotta figure once you start eating the weight loss will slow down. It seems to me getting it off is a Sprint keeping it off Is the marathon. . I find it hard to believe I'm the only one here who wants to lose as much weight as they can before they hit maintenence
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Post by cherylbaker on Jul 18, 2014 14:31:16 GMT -5
Wow I never knew this glycogen thing. My whole life I would try to lose weight and bam first week 10 lbs.. After that nothing. Except for my bypass and when I was on phenfen I have never lost more than those 10 lbs no matter how long I stuck to a diet (although in fairness of being accurate the longest I ever made it sticking to a diet was 3 months. . I usually gave up after a month)
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Post by Girlrocker on Jul 18, 2014 14:50:29 GMT -5
Cheryl, for goodness' sake, this is not a sprint, this is a marathon. GET OFF THE SCALE. Why do you care if you lose 18 or 14 or 10 pounds over the next two weeks. Why does it matter? Well you gotta figure once you start eating the weight loss will slow down. It seems to me getting it off is a Sprint keeping it off Is the marathon. . I find it hard to believe I'm the only one here who wants to lose as much weight as they can before they hit maintenenceSeriously, that is your takeaway from the sound advice posted here?! Everything discussed is to maximize the healing, loss and management process. We are emphasizing that this is a PROCESS, you don't feel great in 9 days, food progression is slow and trial/error, and thinking about this in terms of pounds per week, per month is diet mentality and not constructive.
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Post by cherylbaker on Jul 18, 2014 16:04:21 GMT -5
Well your right that is a diet attitude. . I guess this all just stems back to the fear that this will not work for me. I do realize this is a healing time but the greatest weight loss comes in the first 2 years so it is a limited time. Sorry for pissing you off
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Post by Girlrocker on Jul 18, 2014 16:29:11 GMT -5
Well your right that is a diet attitude. . I guess this all just stems back to the fear that this will not work for me. I do realize this is a healing time but the greatest weight loss comes in the first 2 years so it is a limited time. Sorry for pissing you off If you realize this a healing time than that's progress. The healing is more than physical, and it can take a long time to de-program from old patterns and ways of thinking. You've got to try to find some footing so you can dig into this for the long haul. I empathize with the anxiety and fear, I've been through it. The DS is competely different than the RNY. Take it one day at a time, you'll get there. No one is 'pissed off' here, we're just trying to help you focus.
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Post by cherylbaker on Jul 18, 2014 16:53:38 GMT -5
Well your right that is a diet attitude. . I guess this all just stems back to the fear that this will not work for me. I do realize this is a healing time but the greatest weight loss comes in the first 2 years so it is a limited time. Sorry for pissing you off If you realize this a healing time than that's progress. The healing is more than physical, and it can take a long time to de-program from old patterns and ways of thinking. You've got to try to find some footing so you can dig into this for the long haul. I empathize with the anxiety and fear, I've been through it. The DS is competely different than the RNY. Take it one day at a time, you'll get there. No one is 'pissed off' here, we're just trying to help you focus. And thanks for being patient with me. I keep telling myself it's different I keep telling myself the bypass failed me. But all I see is the scale being over 250. As long as I was under 250 I always felt I had a chance to fix things. . Well at least till I got the arthritis thst was true. . I just reaaalllllyyyyy want to get below that point so I can feel a little better knowing that even if something happened and t hey had to undo the ds part and left we with just the Sleeve I would be ok. That I could manage to lose enough if the weight to live a semi normal life. Not the nice healthy one I envision with the ds but something acceptable. Sorry but I've had a pretty sucky life and have very little faith in anyone or anything. I rely on myself alone and if I'm not trying 100 percent I feel like I will fail and have no one to blame but myself
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Post by newyorkbitch on Jul 18, 2014 17:11:32 GMT -5
The beauty of the DS is that you don't have to try very hard to lose weight - it's gonna happen. What you do need to work at is staying healthy.
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Post by goodkel on Jul 18, 2014 19:20:38 GMT -5
Cheryl, for goodness' sake, this is not a sprint, this is a marathon. GET OFF THE SCALE. Why do you care if you lose 18 or 14 or 10 pounds over the next two weeks. Why does it matter? Well you gotta figure once you start eating the weight loss will slow down. It seems to me getting it off is a Sprint keeping it off Is the marathon. . I find it hard to believe I'm the only one here who wants to lose as much weight as they can before they hit maintenence If you can call two years a sprint. Getting it off is not a sprint. You must allow your DS to do the job by giving it the proper tools. Then leave it alone to do it. If you do not eat enough protein, your weight loss can stop. I know of someone who lost his legs from not eating enough protein. Your body will be under enough stress as it is with the extended rapid loss. Anything you do to stress it: not enough protein, not enough fluids, vitamin deficiencies can throw a huge weight loss and health destroying wrench into the works. You seem to have the mindset that eating is going to slow things down. That couldn't be farther from the truth. Your body will more easily burn your fat if it is getting constant nutrition. Otherwise it thinks there is a famine and it goes into starvation mode and tries to hold on to every ounce of fat its got.
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Post by cherylbaker on Jul 18, 2014 21:18:30 GMT -5
Well you gotta figure once you start eating the weight loss will slow down. It seems to me getting it off is a Sprint keeping it off Is the marathon. . I find it hard to believe I'm the only one here who wants to lose as much weight as they can before they hit maintenence If you can call two years a sprint. Getting it off is not a sprint. You must allow your DS to do the job by giving it the proper tools. Then leave it alone to do it. If you do not eat enough protein, your weight loss can stop. I know of someone who lost his legs from not eating enough protein. Your body will be under enough stress as it is with the extended rapid loss. Anything you do to stress it: not enough protein, not enough fluids, vitamin deficiencies can throw a huge weight loss and health destroying wrench into the works. You seem to have the mindset that eating is going to slow things down. That couldn't be farther from the truth. Your body will more easily burn your fat if it is getting constant nutrition. Otherwise it thinks there is a famine and it goes into starvation mode and tries to hold on to every ounce of fat its got. not sure where I gave you that idea it certainly was no idea I had in mind. All I was saying is if you intake 100 calories a day and lose 3 lbs a day I'd you eat 900 calories a day your lose less than 3 lbs a day. I certainly have no intention on starving myself. . I trying real hard and yes I struggling but each day I try something new to try to get more in. Right now I feel my problem is even over the course of an hr I cannot do 4 ounces. So I am going to try breaking things down to 2 ounces and eat more often and see if that helps.
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Post by goodkel on Jul 18, 2014 21:38:22 GMT -5
STOP thinking in calories. You body does not work that way anymore.
You can lose weight on 3000 calories a day with the DS due to your malabsorption.
Don't push yourself except with water/fluids. You can do yourself more harm than good.
But, yes eat numerous times throughout the day, as often as you are hungry. Eat until you are full. The amount you eat does not matter.
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Post by Girlrocker on Jul 19, 2014 0:35:35 GMT -5
Cheryl, if you haven't seen these links, have a look. The first one explains "DS Math" - how our bodies now respond to protein, fat, complex and simple carbohydrates. We think in grams now, not calories. The other two are a list of high proteins and an explanation of 'complete protein' and why animal protein is best for DSers. DS Mathweightlosssurgery.proboards.com/thread/8890/ds-math-revisitedHigh protein foodsweightlosssurgery.proboards.com/thread/2062/foods-high-proteinAbout complete protein weightlosssurgery.proboards.com/thread/8782/complete-proteinIt can take awhile to deprogram from diet/calorie mentality. You might not completely understand all of this right now. But something the RNY and the DS have in common is protein first, moderate carbs. And with the DS, getting in protein is more crucial because we malabsorb so much. It means we can EAT. And eat a lot of really good, delicious food. While you are healing and eventually moving into food progession, these are the numbers you should think about, use as your guideline: 30/60/90g protein=to days out from surgery. If you can get more in great. You don't have to push it/force it. It's completely normal that for weeks, your protein might come mostly via protein shakes. 50g carb 48oz fluid first month, work up to 64oz, You will work your way back to full fat, denser proteins, dairy (unless you've become lactose intolerance) Drill these into your head so you realistically know what you are working toward each day. This is all you need to focus on for now and the rest will come.
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Post by jpcello on Jul 19, 2014 5:39:53 GMT -5
Another point I'd like to make is that you are not on a diet anymore. It's a tool you've been given to help you lose weight. But you must work on changing your mindset. And I speak from experience when I say this -- that's one of the hardest things to do. They operated on your insides but they didn't touch your brain It takes months/years to change a lifetime of "diet" mentality to realize that this is your new life - new normal. You said in an earlier post that you found it hard to believe you were the only one here who wanted to lose as much weight as possible before maintenance. Of course you're not the only one. I was obsessive about losing everything before maintenance and I did. But I didn't do it by dieting. I did it by changing my mindset about this wonderful tool I'd been given and once I figured out how to use it to my advantage, the weight came off. It's all part of the process. So yes, it is a marathon, not a sprint.
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Post by goodkel on Jul 19, 2014 9:28:23 GMT -5
If you can call two years a sprint. Getting it off is not a sprint. You must allow your DS to do the job by giving it the proper tools. Then leave it alone to do it. If you do not eat enough protein, your weight loss can stop. I know of someone who lost his legs from not eating enough protein. Your body will be under enough stress as it is with the extended rapid loss. Anything you do to stress it: not enough protein, not enough fluids, vitamin deficiencies can throw a huge weight loss and health destroying wrench into the works. You seem to have the mindset that eating is going to slow things down. That couldn't be farther from the truth. Your body will more easily burn your fat if it is getting constant nutrition. Otherwise it thinks there is a famine and it goes into starvation mode and tries to hold on to every ounce of fat its got. not sure where I gave you that idea it certainly was no idea I had in mind. All I was saying is if you intake 100 calories a day and lose 3 lbs a day I'd you eat 900 calories a day your lose less than 3 lbs a day. I certainly have no intention on starving myself. . I trying real hard and yes I struggling but each day I try something new to try to get more in. Right now I feel my problem is even over the course of an hr I cannot do 4 ounces. So I am going to try breaking things down to 2 ounces and eat more often and see if that helps. That "idea" came directly from you:
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Post by cherylbaker on Jul 19, 2014 13:39:05 GMT -5
I don't see where my quote says anything about me starving myself. I wish you would stop attacking everything I say. I am doing my best clearly not good enough fir you but I'm sorry I'm doing the best I can
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