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Post by illinids2 on Jul 12, 2014 9:16:48 GMT -5
I feel like I can eat a damn horse now and I am always hungry anymore. Does this settle down after a while? My theory is that now my body knows it has been deprived of calories and nutrients for the last 9 months and is trying to make up. I am hopeful that my body adjusts and I don't have to eat constantly forever.
Yesterday I ate:
Breakfast - 3 eggs, 7 thick slices of bacon, 2/3 of hash browns and a bit or two of bacon panckakes (not as good as it sounded).
Lunch - Bandana's BBQ Chicken - ate all the half chicken, 2/3 of bbq beans,1/3 fries and a piece of garlic toast (only the buttery outside, I stip the fluffy bread out).
Popcorn at movie theater
Dinner - Bowl of chicken tortilla soup, the meat from three chicken tacos
Late Dinner - Filet o fish (no bun), McDouble (no bun), 1/4 fries and 20% of a small chocolate shake
This was actually a fairly light day protein wise for me and had more carbs than I should have (very strange week for us as we are on vacation/hanging around all day in St Louis to see Cameron in hospital for an hour a night so I am not eating all that well this week).
Anyway, I am eating pretty much most anything now without discomfort or issue (unless I over do it) and I am just wondering if the need to eat constantly backs off a bit in the future?
Please don't tell me to watch carbs, I know....just wondering if the frequency and hunger stops/resides (I do feel physical hunger).
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Post by newyorkbitch on Jul 12, 2014 9:47:21 GMT -5
It is different for every person.
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Post by bboop on Jul 12, 2014 10:01:24 GMT -5
I'm hungry all the time...well most of the time. And I eat. Just try to make good choices...I know it's hard but that's about all I can say.
So yes, I'm hungry - a lot. Don't know why I just am, but I do know I can over eat...it's strange to be so hungry and then to eat almost everything...and then I get to the stopping point before I get sick.
Have no idea why...I just do. I don't think it's from the lack of nutrients...I think some of it is head hunger. You have done great with your weight loss, so don't blow it...watch the carbs (I know you know this). I say enjoy the day and maybe tomorrow you won't eat as much. Sometimes I don't eat as much as the day before when I was ready to eat a table leg.
Not much help, but at least you are in good company!
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Post by Girlrocker on Jul 12, 2014 10:13:24 GMT -5
Hi Scott, true that it can very from person to person. That said, I think generally speaking, it's pretty normal to be able to eat more, be hungrier more frequently, not because of deprivation but simply because the sleeve starts to relax a bit, the guts are really healed up and more adjusted to their new set-up, so they can handle more too. Now you're able to see a more realistic picture of what life is like as opposed to the more restrictive time of the early part of the surgery. I do eat every few hours, my body is used to it. I started doing this long before I had my RNY or DS, learning that smaller, more frequent meals better facilitated metabolism and kept me satisfied. . I'm never ravenous, bottomless pit hungry like I was before either surgery. Your stomach/sleeve now has a better understanding of what 'full' is. And it is most satiated from protein and complex carbs, because they stay with the body longer, and the body does the work to break it down. This is true for anyone, not just bariatric patients. The other simple carbs burn quickly and convert into sugar. Your breakfast is pretty much like mine, I have always been able to eat my biggest volume meal in the morning, and a typical breakfast for me is 2 eggs with cheese, 4 slices of bacon/sausage, 1 slice of toast. And I've had a protein smoothie earlier. I've also noticed I can always eat more of fast food, usually because the grade of meat is lower, so I can eat more. I can't usually eat the same amount of actual fresh burgers, steak, etc. if that makes sense. So at your meals, you might want to eat more protein (overall, I know you said this day isn't completely typical), scale back the simple carbs (not eliminate) and/or swap them out for a complex version when you can. I love popcorn too, and never deprive myself at a movie, but often I bring nuts or some string cheese too so that I'm also getting some protein. And I find grazing a bit throughout actually makes me happy, and it's usually cheese, my version of antipasti with salami, pepperoni, prosciutto, feta cheese, olives, nuts; a greek yogurt with some flavored creamer in it. Are you concerned by the amount you can eat, the frequency? Is is hard for you to eat more frequent meals, not hard physically but as a frustrating lifestyle change? I feel like I can eat a damn horse now and I am always hungry anymore. Does this settle down after a while? My theory is that now my body knows it has been deprived of calories and nutrients for the last 9 months and is trying to make up. I am hopeful that my body adjusts and I don't have to eat constantly forever. Yesterday I ate: Breakfast - 3 eggs, 7 thick slices of bacon, 2/3 of hash browns and a bit or two of bacon panckakes (not as good as it sounded). Lunch - Bandana's BBQ Chicken - ate all the half chicken, 2/3 of bbq beans,1/3 fries and a piece of garlic toast (only the buttery outside, I stip the fluffy bread out). Popcorn at movie theater Dinner - Bowl of chicken tortilla soup, the meat from three chicken tacos Late Dinner - Filet o fish (no bun), McDouble (no bun), 1/4 fries and 20% of a small chocolate shake This was actually a fairly light day protein wise for me and had more carbs than I should have (very strange week for us as we are on vacation/hanging around all day in St Louis to see Cameron in hospital for an hour a night so I am not eating all that well this week). Anyway, I am eating pretty much most anything now without discomfort or issue (unless I over do it) and I am just wondering if the need to eat constantly backs off a bit in the future? Please don't tell me to watch carbs, I know....just wondering if the frequency and hunger stops/resides (I do feel physical hunger). |
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Post by illinids2 on Jul 12, 2014 10:35:46 GMT -5
Nah not frustrated, just curious of others experiences.
Thanks all...and btw I do eat a good deal of complex carbs (veggies).
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Post by newyorkbitch on Jul 12, 2014 11:13:07 GMT -5
I eat a lot and I have for many years. But there are days when I feel like a bottomless pit and days when my capacity feels limited. Sort of like a "normal" person I suppose. I do try to eat plenty of protein, minimize the simple carbs, and get plenty of vegetables and fruits. I try to eat good quality food - not a lot of crap and junk and fast food. I don't only want to be of normal weight, I also want to be healthy and feel great.
I don't think you "need" to eat constantly - but that being said, eating every few hours is a healthy way to eat. I try to do that - I have many small meals throughout the day.
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Post by Girlrocker on Jul 12, 2014 11:16:47 GMT -5
Nah not frustrated, just curious of others experiences. Thanks all...and btw I do eat a good deal of complex carbs (veggies). You mentioned this: The point I'm trying to make about protein, simple vs. complex carbs, is that very often as obese people, we pretty much had no idea what full was, or the difference in density of food, the fiber content, what things are more satiating. The hunger, ability to eat more is a normal development; not the same for everyone, but perfectly normal as the sleeve relaxes, guts adapt to their new set up, That's why I usually say it takes 10-12 mos to have a more realistic picture of what a lifelong eating style will be like. And it is still subject to change! |
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Post by newyorkbitch on Jul 12, 2014 11:24:12 GMT -5
My eating patterns didn't settle down at 12 months - they changed and changed again and changed again. It takes years.
Scott you are not even a year out yet. You are still at the beginning of a lifetime with the DS. Try to eat protein, drink lots of water, minimize the simple carbs, and try to eat healthy and good quality foods. As long as you are satisfied with your weight loss, and you are healthy....then don't worry about the quantities.
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Post by maggiesara on Jul 12, 2014 11:37:06 GMT -5
Scott, I also wouldn't overlook the extent to which emotional stress may be affecting your appetite. You mentioned that Cameron is in the hospital? I'm so sorry. You may find that when he comes to a more stable place, health wise, your appetite will calm down some.
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Post by west4thavenue on Jul 12, 2014 12:01:04 GMT -5
Nah not frustrated, just curious of others experiences. Thanks all...and btw I do eat a good deal of complex carbs (veggies). You mentioned this: The point I'm trying to make about protein, simple vs. complex carbs, is that very often as obese people, we pretty much had no idea what full was, or the difference in density of food, the fiber content, what things are more satiating. The hunger, ability to eat more is a normal development; not the same for everyone, but perfectly normal as the sleeve relaxes, guts adapt to their new set up, That's why I usually say it takes 10-12 mos to have a more realistic picture of what a lifelong eating style will be like. And it is still subject to change! Amen to that. I never, ever felt full before my surgery. It's an entirely new experience for me to eat the small amounts I eat and then KNOW I cannot put one more bite in my mouth.
Do you feel full at the end of the meal, Scott?
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Post by newyorkbitch on Jul 12, 2014 12:02:46 GMT -5
It's really not realistic to expect that decades of eating habits as an obese person will suddenly reverse less than a year after surgery. It takes a long time. Much of it is psychological.
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Post by teachermomolp on Jul 12, 2014 12:30:50 GMT -5
The "full" feeling is very new for me too. It is AMAZING to be able to (to HAVE to) leave food on my plate. Before surgery, I could have been busting full and I still cleaned that plate. I too wonder I will be like in a year or two...
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Post by cherylbaker on Jul 12, 2014 13:25:45 GMT -5
Do you guys count calories. If a person thinks they are eating to much would snacking on some high fat find be good since far in not obsorbed as.much?
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Post by newyorkbitch on Jul 12, 2014 13:28:10 GMT -5
Protein. Protein. Protein.
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Post by west4thavenue on Jul 12, 2014 13:29:05 GMT -5
Do you guys count calories. If a person thinks they are eating to much would snacking on some high fat find be good since far in not obsorbed as.much? I don't count calories. I only track my protein, fat and carbs. You have to remember your fat-soluble vitamins and get in enough fat to absorb those. |
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Post by newyorkbitch on Jul 12, 2014 13:30:15 GMT -5
No - you have to take vitamins in other forms so that you do absorb them...and lots of them.
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Post by west4thavenue on Jul 12, 2014 13:34:10 GMT -5
No - you have to take vitamins in other forms so that you do absorb them...and lots of them. 
The NUT told me that the supplements I am taking are fat soluble, and that is why I must have 80 - 100 grams of fat daily. Is this not correct? 
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Post by newyorkbitch on Jul 12, 2014 13:35:39 GMT -5
What supplements are you taking? She is talking nonsense.
A, D, E, and K are fat soluble vitamins. You will not absorb them in their usual form, no matter how much fat you eat. You must take them in dry form.
What forms are you taking and of what vitamins?
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Post by west4thavenue on Jul 12, 2014 13:44:03 GMT -5
What supplements are you taking? She is talking nonsense. A, D, E, and K are fat soluble vitamins. You will not absorb them in their usual form, no matter how much fat you eat. You must take them in dry form. What forms are you taking and of what vitamins?
DS Multivitamin ADEK multi twice daily
Vitamin A A-25 25000 IU once daily
Calcium Citrate with Vitamin D Calcium + D multi twice daily
I understand that when they do my vitamin panel at 6 months post-op, I will probably have to change from the multi to individual, depending upon my blood work. But until they see the results, this is what I'm taking. Please let me know if this is not adequate (at least, for the time being).
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Post by newyorkbitch on Jul 12, 2014 13:48:21 GMT -5
You're taking ADEK in one pill?
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Post by west4thavenue on Jul 12, 2014 13:49:17 GMT -5
That is correct. Twice daily.
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Post by newyorkbitch on Jul 12, 2014 13:49:26 GMT -5
Have you read all the vitamin info on this board? Have you looked at vitalady's DS regimen?
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Post by west4thavenue on Jul 12, 2014 13:51:04 GMT -5
No, but I will do so right now. Thank you.
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Post by newyorkbitch on Jul 12, 2014 13:52:42 GMT -5
Please do - you need to be taking A, D, E, and K all separately and in the right DRY form.
Order them from vitalady.com
Many DSers take 50,000 units of dry D every day, some take even more.
And you need more calcium.
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Post by newyorkbitch on Jul 12, 2014 13:53:29 GMT -5
Don't wait to get deficient - it is very difficult to raise levels once they are too low. Keep your levels up now.
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Post by illinids2 on Jul 12, 2014 16:31:21 GMT -5
Please do - you need to be taking A, D, E, and K all separately and in the right DRY form. Order them from vitalady.com Many DSers take 50,000 units of dry D every day, some take even more. And you need more calcium. I order Biotech Dry D 50.000 K twice per day - I buy from Amazon for $19 and free shipping (I think) cheaper than Vitalady I order Biotech Dray A 25K (2 per day) from Amazon as well - cheaper than Vitalady and free shipping. I order 400MG Now Vitamin E (2 per day) for around $8-$9 on Amazon K I do not take separately as I have been getting enough in my Centrum Multi 2/day You definitely need more of each of those as NYB says, regardless from whom you order. |
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Post by Leonie on Jul 12, 2014 16:38:25 GMT -5
Scott, think back to two years ago....
I often have the same thoughts, especially when I am in company with normies and it seams like I am eating much more than them. We have just arrived home from a 12 hour role-play gaming day. I felt like I was constantly snacking, just not on chips and coke, but rather on nuts, chocolate and rotisserie chicken. We had vegetable soup for lunch. I loaded my bowl with extra chicken, cheese and cream. All they had was bread.
I think Dr K's advice is very relevant for us now: "Eat closer to the earth." I am much more satisfied with real food.
I also start with a large breakfast or two, but as the day progresses, my meals become smaller. We ended our evening at Mac Donalds. I had a kiddie meal, and just ate the inside of my burger. I did enjoy the fries though.
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Post by illinids2 on Jul 12, 2014 16:47:48 GMT -5
Scott, think back to two years ago.... I often have the same thoughts, especially when I am in company with normies and it seams like I am eating much more than them. We have just arrived home from a 12 hour role-play gaming day. I felt like I was constantly snacking, just not on chips and coke, but rather on nuts, chocolate and rotisserie chicken. We had vegetable soup for lunch. I loaded my bowl with extra chicken, cheese and cream. All they had was bread. I think Dr K's advice is very relevant for us now: "Eat closer to the earth." I am much more satisfied with real food. I also start with a large breakfast or two, but as the day progresses, my meals become smaller. We ended our evening at Mac Donalds. I had a kiddie meal, and just ate the inside of my burger. I did enjoy the fries though. I do similar Leonie.....but my meals at night are getting larger and I am eating more of everything now. I still make sure to get my protein in but I am also not averse to eating a few chips now and then....bread is one thing I really don't do much of, other than some crust with butter or olive oil..it still bloats me and I don't want to fill up on it. |
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Post by Leonie on Jul 12, 2014 18:16:30 GMT -5
Last night I had a small serving of mashed potatoes with my bangers.
Baaaad Idea.
Cramps, gas, and discomfort.
Yet I am fine with the fries I nibbled on tonight.
Crisps really bloat me, but chocolate is fine.
White bread is bad, but a buttery croissant or a slice of butter loaded wholewheat toast is perfect.
As you can see, I have been doing lots of experimenting. so lately I am trying to increase the veggies and salads in the place of the starchy carbs. At two years out, I am tolerating vegetables and salad much better. It seems I am also no longer lactose intolerant. This is scary because it opens up a whole world of not such good options. Making good choices is not a skill I have ever excelled at, but it is never too late to learn.
Even though I am eating more, I am still aware of the cured metabolic syndrome. I never experience those sugar highs and lows. I can actually feel how food gives me energy. I am also very aware of how quickly food passes through my stomach. It is quite normal for me to need to eat every two hours in the morning. Yet it is not the dizzying hunger of the type 2 diabetic. I used to always be hungry, tired and gaining weight. Now it is a very compelling hunger, but is easily satisfied with protein.
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Post by Girlrocker on Jul 12, 2014 18:33:38 GMT -5
If this is a 'full' topic, than again, what I'm saying is it takes a lot of effort to food combine, figure out what works for an individual. I'd say my the shaping of my blueprint did happen toward a year out, but there have definitely been changes, in my tasetbuds, tolerances and tweaking. Complex carb alternatives for their simple counter parts aren't just about vegetables, but also integrating/alternating foods like sweet potatoes, brown rice, oatmeal, quinoa, they are more satiating. I mean it's an overall plan, balance of what one eats all day long, bumping up protein, making carbs sidecar/condiment size, not double, triple carbing in meals, because that means eating less protein, less likely to be full. I also eat regular potatoes, pasta intermittently, and usually piled with protein and nice dose of fat. I love potato chips and popcorn, but seldom eat them stand-alone. Same in honor of my love of sandwiches, I'll eat the bun/roll when it's got a burger and cheese or pile of tuna salad on it. Skip most of the filler veg condiments (I don't love them anyway except for grilled onion on the burger, bit of lettuce on the tuna) so I get good protein bang in balance with the carb buck. You've still got some trial and error to sort out a new 'normal' for you, and adjust to life in the maintenance lane. And it really does take time to build up a new way of eating. I truly love being able to know what full is now, to know the difference between types of foods. And I eat and just have fun, it took awhile, but like anything else, do it long enough and it really does become second nature.
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