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Post by PrettyGirlBounce on Feb 11, 2014 15:01:29 GMT -5
Not only can carbs cause bloating and bathroom issues, they can definitely sabotage your weight loss. Until you have lost all your excess weight, you will want to severely restrict them. For the rest of your life, if you don't want to regain, you will have to pay close attention to them and always eat them in moderation. Avoid sugar. This includes most fruits except berries. It includes many vegetables, too. To be safe, stick with berries and leafy green vegetables. Avoid starchy carbs like potatoes and rice. Avoid anything made with flour. Eat only the insides of sandwiches. Fast food places will often wrap your burger in lettuce for you to hold. Skip all rolls, all flour tortillas, all store bought chips. Concentrate on protein: beef, pork, lamb, fish, shellfish, chicken, turkey. Eat every last bite of your meat before taking one bite of your vegetables. For breakfast, nuke some bacon, melt cheese on top, if you'd like. Have a full fat yogurt with a handful of sunflower seeds or nuts mixed in, if you prefer. Jimmy Dean makes some decent microwaveable precooked sausage links and patties. Eggs are always good. Pick up an Egg McMuffin, but don't eat the muffin. Snack on nuts, cheese, jerky, yogurt, maybe a decent protein bar. Don't be intimidated by the kitchen. There are many easy to make recipes in our recipe board. You can make extra and pack the leftovers for lunch the next day: weightlosssurgery.proboards.com/board/36/recipesYou CAN do this! :applause: PERFECT advice given here Kel.
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Post by nyuboi on Feb 11, 2014 22:07:51 GMT -5
Paul first, really good to see you up and around. Now my one negative sounding thing.... What in hell were you reading that even made you want a DS? You are eating a lot like I did in the beginning but I had NEVER read a support board! That being said... Your loss is doing great. You are at a point where slow down will occur. Normal. Back off the carbs, it is all still way fixable. I went from the same type of eating and bathroom issues as you to goal in about 8 months. Sometimes it sux, the old tapes play in our heads. At 8 or 9 weeks out I dieted my way into a stall and was going back to weight watchers! I am on the island, mistrcy is in NYC. The ladies are amazing sources of support of course too, and there are more than a few local. Anytime you want to hook up, catch a meal or support meeting there are a few of us around. Keep in touch and good news bad news.... This is now for the rest of your life. Kenny Thanks Kenny. I also live on Long Island.
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Post by nyuboi on Feb 11, 2014 22:11:47 GMT -5
MFP - My Fitness Pal website... Paul, Right now. Concentrated Milk Protiens BAD. I still can't drink Muscle Milk without getting the runs. The milk protiens get me everytime. Stick to the Whey Isolate powders, get a shaker cup. No stirring, just add the powder and water, and shake. Poptarts WILL give you problems, No if, Ands or Buts.. Biscuits WILL give you problems. (its the flour they are made from) White toast will give you problems, UNLESS you add fats and proteins, then not as much. (i.e PEANUT BUTTER!!) Another piece of advice, NEVER eat carbs without Protein and fats mixed in. If you do indulge in some carbs, eat it with protein and/or fats. Example: Deli meats and cheese, If you want something to go with them. try a few triscuits. 100% WHOLE WHEAT is a good complex carb. Corn and corn products (NO CORN SYRUP!!!) Tostitos chips (white corn), Corn Tortillas (watch the ingredients here) If the tortillas are yellow, they probably safer than WHITE (Flour) ones. Corn stuff does not usually cause most of us problems in moderation. You can over do it though. ANYTHING PRODUCT WITH BLEACHED OR UNBLEACHED white or wheat flour. AVOID AT ALL COSTS!!!! EGGS, If you can cook one, you can cook many. ADD CHEESE!!! add sausage!, add bacon! You can add salt and pepper the eggs to your taste. Hard boiled eggs are EASY. 8 minutes in boiling water. Cool them under cold water, and peel the shell off. tap onto a salted plate and enjoy. Meats of any kind (EAT THIS FIRST) Chicken is the best by far in terms of biggest bang for your protein intake. Microwave Bacon! 3g per piece, NO CARBS! If you want something crunchy, have 1/4 to 1/2 cup of Nature valley Protien Granola with ALMOND MILK (unsweetened!) That granola has 10g protein per 1/2 cup. Cereals that you might tolerate are Corn Chex and Rice Chex (Gluten FREE!) in small amounts. 1/4 to 1/2 cup.. No real protein here but can satisfy a crunchy craving. BUT have your protein first!!! ADD YOGURT to the granola! CARB MASTER yogurt from Kroger. 3g sugar, 8g protein for 6oz cup. If you want milk, ALWAYS USE ALMOND MILK, until your confident that milk is not a problem for you.. Kroger makes a CARB MASTER milk that has 11g protein for 1 cup. 3g sugar. (thats low, if your wondering) Tastes just like milk. Usually it is the LACTOSE (milk sugar) in the milk that causes problems for DS'rs. I've probably said too much, and not enough at the same time. Keep asking questions, and reading LABELS on food. things I look for on labels: How much protein? (anything less than 6g per serving, I pass up..) How much sugar? (anything with more than 10g per serving, I pass up) does it have flour? is it the first, second or third ingredient? (if so, I pass it up) is it made from corn, 100% whole wheat, or rice? (if not, I'll probably pass it up.) If it meets 3 of the four requirements, I'll probably try it at least once. NOTICE I DID NOT LOOK AT FAT OR CALORIES!! THEY DO NOT MATTER! You can ask these things at restaurants too. ALL of the chain restaurants have nutritional guides. Maybe in the store, online, or both! EDIT: Watch the SUGAR ALCOHOL content of anything that says SUGAR FREE. Any ingredient that ends with -ITOL is a dead giveway.. Thank you so much for the suggestions ds4life!!!!! Also thanks to goodkel and everyone else for their feedback...
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Post by nyuboi on Feb 11, 2014 22:16:54 GMT -5
So while at Costco today I picked up some bacon (can be microwaved), a bag of Buffalo Wings, steak strip beef jerky, and Almonds. Are these okay as a starting point? Want to make sure I'm starting to get the idea...
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Post by newyorkbitch on Feb 11, 2014 22:24:45 GMT -5
See if you can answer the question for yourself. Are these items protein? If the answer is yes, then the answer is yes.
Do you have a good internist?
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Post by Girlrocker on Feb 12, 2014 8:57:53 GMT -5
So while at Costco today I picked up some bacon (can be microwaved), a bag of Buffalo Wings, steak strip beef jerky, and Almonds. Are these okay as a starting point? Want to make sure I'm starting to get the idea... NYB has a point you can't go wrong when you choose proteins, unless you choose any that have excessive carby filler or coating. I read labels and have no shame asking a grocery store, restaurnat wherever how something is prepared. Good job, this is a good list to start, and almonds are one of the best nuts you can choose for a snack because they are also an antioxidant. If you like chicken and it agrees, Costco's roasted chickens are delicious. And you can easily cut up any left overs and put them together with a can of chicken broth for a no-cooking, just heat easy soup. I'm a fan of a salad bars too, the good ones often have all kinds of toppings perfect for us- chicken, cheeses, salami, side salads like tuna, egg, etc. I also boiled a dozen eggs at time to have hard boiled eggs on hand. You can also buy them hardboiled, but if you can boil water, you can do a few things to make your food prep that much easier.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2014 9:04:13 GMT -5
So while at Costco today I picked up some bacon (can be microwaved), a bag of Buffalo Wings, steak strip beef jerky, and Almonds. Are these okay as a starting point? Want to make sure I'm starting to get the idea... YUP! Thats a good start!! Add eggs to that list!
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Post by jpcello on Feb 12, 2014 9:17:31 GMT -5
Not seeing cheese on your list. Definitely a perfect DS food/snack. No carbs and high protein.
I've been buying the already-cooked bacon at Costco (Hormel) for years. I buy 2-3 packages at a time (they freeze great). They are big, meaty slices and I eat at least 4-5 slices every morning (2 slices have 6 grams of protein).
Sharyl is right. You have to learn to read labels and ask questions. When I first had my surgery it seemed that grocery shopping took forever because I read everything I picked up. I compared ingredients and nutritional information. That's the only way to learn. It doesn't happen overnight but it does take work.
This is for the rest of your life. I urge you to embrace the DS and learn how to live with it. But it does take time and work. If you don't, you'll know soon enough.
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Post by Girlrocker on Feb 12, 2014 10:25:56 GMT -5
And, this is one of the best purchases I ever made, in my RNY days that has served me well over the years and became my bible. It's called Corrine Netzer's Complete Book of Food Counts. It lists every food you can imagine, plus name brands and fast food restaurants. It provides counts in protein, carbs, fat, fiber, sodium (and calories, but who cares if you're a DSer!) You can order it on Amazon new or used under $10 and it will be some of the best $$ you ever spend. It's paperback, and I read it constantly, any food I 'thought' was something, myth dispelled immediately. And an excellent tool to use in tandem with brooklyngirl's suggestion of My Fitness Pal to help you really understand foods and what you are eating. www.amazon.com/Complete-Book-Food-Counts-Edition/dp/0440245613/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1392211987&sr=8-1&keywords=corrine+netzer+carb+counter+book
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Post by deedee484 on Feb 12, 2014 15:11:45 GMT -5
And, this is one of the best purchases I ever made, in my RNY days that has served me well over the years and became my bible. It's called Corrine Netzer's Complete Book of Food Counts. It lists every food you can imagine, plus name brands and fast food restaurants. It provides counts in protein, carbs, fat, fiber, sodium (and calories, but who cares if you're a DSer!) You can order it on Amazon new or used under $10 and it will be some of the best $$ you ever spend. It's paperback, and I read it constantly, any food I 'thought' was something, myth dispelled immediately. And an excellent tool to use in tandem with brooklyngirl's suggestion of My Fitness Pal to help you really understand foods and what you are eating. www.amazon.com/Complete-Book-Food-Counts-Edition/dp/0440245613/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1392211987&sr=8-1&keywords=corrine+netzer+carb+counter+bookI bought this book too (due to Sharyl's reveiw of this book) and I love it!! Great investment!! Thanks Sharyl!
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Post by nyuboi on Feb 26, 2014 6:22:49 GMT -5
I bought a bunch of low carb high protein foods. Also some Atkins dinners, shakes, and snack bars. My atkins snack bar was 16g total carb, with 5g dietary fiber, sugars 1g, and sugar alcohol 10g. But only "2 net carbs" by Atkins standards. Stuff like this is fine right? Completely DS friendly? Now, something I didn't buy... is this not ideal and good I didn't get it, or is it something that would be fine? GNC Total Lean Bar: www.gnc.com/GNC-Total-Lean-Lean-Bar-Blueberry-Yogurt/product.jsp?productId=18723206 It seems like its designed for weight loss but not ideal for DS? Or am I obsessing and this is fine? 15 g protein, 180 calories, 6 grams total fat, total carbs 22 (dietary fiber 10g, sugars 7g). Bad? Good? Neutral? Obsessive-compulsive? I am doing much better reading labels now, but every now and again I am getting stumped on whether something would cause bathroom problems and is not ideal for DS patients or if its fine. Got low to no-carb whey protein shakes and all... Doing better, but still working on identifying whether something seems in the middle of I'm unsure. By the way, I hit 194 pounds -- I am officially under 200 with 87 lost. Under 200 is a milestone for me!!!
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Post by deedee484 on Feb 26, 2014 11:39:58 GMT -5
Can't help you with the labels cause they confuse me too but I wanna say WAAAY TO GO!! Welcome to ONEderland!! (Still dreaming of it myself! Haha) great job Nyuboi!!!
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Post by jpcello on Feb 26, 2014 12:21:40 GMT -5
Paul - if after eating one of the Atkins snack bars you have to run to the bathroom it will probably be the sugar alcohols. From reading the boards, it seems hit or miss. Some DSers have no issues with sugar alcohols, while others (myself included) can't touch them. Just a friendly word of warning When it comes to food you need to think about two things -- how much protein does it have and how many carbs are in it? If it doesn't have a label you need to educate yourself. Everything you ever wanted to know about the things you put in your mouth can be found online. You're going on 4+ months post-op. Are you getting 100+ grams of protein a day? Supplements only or a combination of real food and supplements? Limiting carbs (50 grms or so per day - whatever works for you) will help with weight loss, gas and bloating. If you want to try something, then try it. If it bothers you, then don't eat it again for a while (a week, a month, whatever). Getting an opinion about everything is, well yes, a little OC.
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Post by Girlrocker on Feb 27, 2014 20:09:55 GMT -5
I bought a bunch of low carb high protein foods. Also some Atkins dinners, shakes, and snack bars. My atkins snack bar was 16g total carb, with 5g dietary fiber, sugars 1g, and sugar alcohol 10g. But only "2 net carbs" by Atkins standards. Stuff like this is fine right? Completely DS friendly? Now, something I didn't buy... is this not ideal and good I didn't get it, or is it something that would be fine? GNC Total Lean Bar: www.gnc.com/GNC-Total-Lean-Lean-Bar-Blueberry-Yogurt/product.jsp?productId=18723206 It seems like its designed for weight loss but not ideal for DS? Or am I obsessing and this is fine? 15 g protein, 180 calories, 6 grams total fat, total carbs 22 (dietary fiber 10g, sugars 7g). Bad? Good? Neutral? Obsessive-compulsive? I am doing much better reading labels now, but every now and again I am getting stumped on whether something would cause bathroom problems and is not ideal for DS patients or if its fine. Got low to no-carb whey protein shakes and all... Doing better, but still working on identifying whether something seems in the middle of I'm unsure. By the way, I hit 194 pounds -- I am officially under 200 with 87 lost. Under 200 is a milestone for me!!! Ok, here's my takeaway on your list above...I know you don't cook...but I'm looking at your foods and asking the same thing JPcello does - do you know how much protein you're getting, because at 4 months, you should be able to get 90-100g protein between protein shakes and food. Prepared meals can certainly help in a pinch, to supplement, and Atkins is a good choice; but living in New York you are privvy to an abundance of fantastic food and deli, much of it prepared from grocery stores to gourmet shops and delis, salad bars loaded with protein options perfect for someone who doesn't cook (and perfect for me being single) take advantage of it! Or order take out from your favorite restaurants, chicken chains, one entree can last me 2-3 meals depending on the size. If you like asian cuisine, focus on the entrees that have meat, fish, aren't breaded and drowning in sugary sauces (sweet and sour, orange chicken for example); hold the rice. We have a list right here on the board by Kelly with high protein foods: weightlosssurgery.proboards.com/thread/2062/foods-high-proteinAnd if you are wondering what the better proteins are for us as DS patients, read this explanation of complete protein: weightlosssurgery.proboards.com/thread/8782/complete-proteinAs for the bars you are mentioning, I found them helpful snacks to have around, convenient to take on the go, to a movie; though I can't do Atkins, sugar alcohols kill me personally. I usually focus on low-carb, higher protein bars like EAS/Myoplex, Pure Protein, most are 20g protein and up and low in carb . What you are buying yes is a protein source, and better than a bag of pretzels or a candy bar, but you need to focus on good, complete proteins. Congrats on onderland, I know how amazing that feels. And I know you are really trying,reading labels, so that's good, if you're going to be obsessed, that's a good way to go but DO read everything on this thread, several times; a lot of great advice here, print it out even and tape it to your fridge!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2014 9:59:23 GMT -5
Well I have to say that I am not a big proponent of the pre-made meals, atkins or not.. Too many preservatives and fillers. They are also marketed toward people like you that don't want to cook, or don't know how to cook to the atkins lifestyle..
If you have the time, you should look into a cooking class at your local Jr. / community College.. usually cheap, and on a weekend.
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Post by newyorkbitch on Feb 28, 2014 15:45:27 GMT -5
Or just buy roasted chicken and some brown rice and some cucumbers. You live in NYC - you can buy every prepared food, and good quality, under the sun.
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Post by sheanie on Feb 28, 2014 18:14:26 GMT -5
I wouldn't be eating packaged dinners either. Too many carbs for the little bit of protein in them. Plus all the preservatives and additives. What's wrong with a deli chicken? Hard boiled eggs chopped and made into egg salad? Tuna salad? Chicken salad? All you do is stir the egg, tuna, or chicken with real full fat mayonnaise. If you want to get fancy, chop a tiny pickle and use a little bit of pickle juice. You can up the protein even more by making them with greek yogurt and/or sour cream, all full fat versions.
Dude, you gotta learn to cook. Processed foods are NOT the way to live the DS life.
The bacon? EXCELLENT. I buy the precooked bacon myself and wrap shrimp in it, then marinate those in Honey Teriyaki sauce (I like KC Masterpiece) and broil them just until the shrimp are done. If you use tin foil, there's no clean up. YUMMY
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Post by sheanie on Feb 28, 2014 18:15:08 GMT -5
I also have a Spinach Souffle recipe that's the shizz. See if you can find it here.
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Post by Joanne on Feb 28, 2014 18:34:30 GMT -5
Paul I'm glad you're happy with your progress so far.
I'm concerned about the way you're eating. No wonder you're going so often during the day. You have to lay off the processed food and carbs. I know you dont cook, but you have so many options. Let me give you a real life example. I spent 8 months in NYC last year while my son was being treated for cancer. We lived at the American Cancer Society in basically a hotel room the whole time. I ate EVERY SINGLE meal as either take out, delivery, or in a restaurant.
Here are some real examples:
Breakfast: Have a protein shake. If you dont want to make it yourself, buy Muscle Milk. Pret a Manger has scrambled eggs and cheese in a cup. Buy hard boiled eggs. Roll up ham and cheese in your refrigerator.
Lunch: Get a chopped salad from any of the bazillion places they make them. Add eggs, cheese, and chicken or tofu (if you like it). Just dont add croutons. Use as much REAL dressing as you want. Or buy a deli sandwich. Pull off the top part, and eat the meat on one half of the bread. Take the other half home and have it for dinner. Go into any deli and buy corned beef, roast beef, turkey and/or cheese by the 1/2 pound. Roll it up with mayo and eat it. Go to Hale and Hearty and buy chili. Go to a Mexican place and eat the insides of a taco.
Dinner: Really the same thing, I hope you get the idea.
Go to a food store like Fairway or Whole Foods. They have great ready to go food. Just stay away from pasta, rice, potatoes, and bread. Buy their roast chicken, meats....whatever you like.
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Post by nyuboi on Mar 3, 2014 5:47:12 GMT -5
Reading this made me really hungry. Tuna Salad with pickle juice -- yummy, can't wait.
Just to clarify, I don't live in the city -- I live on Long Island. But I should still have access to all this stuff with a short drive.
Thank you EVERYONE for the great advice.
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Post by Joanne on Mar 3, 2014 7:16:07 GMT -5
Reading this made me really hungry. Tuna Salad with pickle juice -- yummy, can't wait. Just to clarify, I don't live in the city -- I live on Long Island. But I should still have access to all this stuff with a short drive. Thank you EVERYONE for the great advice. Or the same things in your own town. I lived in Westchester for 20 years, we had most of the same things, too. You can get the idea of what you can do. You can learn to cook - what you need to do isn't even so much cooking as "assembling". Things like rotisserie chicken, tuna and egg salad, cheeses, deli meats - all of that will work. Even the toppings off pizza with extra meat (just don't eat the crust). The processed stuff isn't good for you - especially now. You have so many options. Why don't you post what you ate over the past two or three days, and let's see if we can show you how to make modifications with similar, less processed things, that would be easy for you to make?
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Post by sheanie on Mar 3, 2014 12:40:41 GMT -5
Jenni O makes a deli-cooked dark turkey meat roast called "Turkey Pot Roast". It's truly a magical thing. One leg bone, surrounded magically by fairies, with only dark meat and no tiny annoying bones at all. All dark meat, wrapped in skin, cooked to perfection, and in a deli-carry out with a handle. I've been nomming on these delicacies now for 2 years and am still not sick of them.
Did I mention they are ALL DARK MEAT?
I love the meat in a dish with a spoonful of cranberry walnut relish. Nothing else.
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Post by PrettyGirlBounce on Mar 3, 2014 17:14:19 GMT -5
Jenni O makes a deli-cooked dark turkey meat roast called "Turkey Pot Roast". It's truly a magical thing. One leg bone, surrounded magically by fairies, with only dark meat and no tiny annoying bones at all. All dark meat, wrapped in skin, cooked to perfection, and in a deli-carry out with a handle. I've been nomming on these delicacies now for 2 years and am still not sick of them. Did I mention they are ALL DARK MEAT? I love the meat in a dish with a spoonful of cranberry walnut relish. Nothing else. HOW in the hell have I missed this gem? The leg is my FAVE part of turkey/chicken. This sounds too good to be true. I really hope my grocery store carries this although I am certain I would have seen it by now since I buy a hot rotisserie chicken at least once a week. Crossing fingers. Thanks for sharing.
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Post by sheanie on Mar 4, 2014 13:23:58 GMT -5
Jenni O makes a deli-cooked dark turkey meat roast called "Turkey Pot Roast". It's truly a magical thing. One leg bone, surrounded magically by fairies, with only dark meat and no tiny annoying bones at all. All dark meat, wrapped in skin, cooked to perfection, and in a deli-carry out with a handle. I've been nomming on these delicacies now for 2 years and am still not sick of them. Did I mention they are ALL DARK MEAT? I love the meat in a dish with a spoonful of cranberry walnut relish. Nothing else. HOW in the hell have I missed this gem? The leg is my FAVE part of turkey/chicken. This sounds too good to be true. I really hope my grocery store carries this although I am certain I would have seen it by now since I buy a hot rotisserie chicken at least once a week. Crossing fingers. Thanks for sharing. Oh, PGB, the deli is a DSers waking dreamland. But they can be sneaky bastards with Turkey Pot Roasts. They only make 2 per day at my local Meijer, and they are so similar to the Turkey Breast Roast it's hard to tell them apart. Then they situate them amongst the chicken roasts, to further camouflage them. See what I mean about sneaky? And they are like candy. Mine usually sits next to me on the front seat of my car, with the seat heater on high, so I can nom on the way home. My dogs must think I'm the best hunter they've ever met. I leave the house and return with a cooked kill, ready to eat. In a dog's brain, that must be God-like. Do you suppose that's why they follow me around? Or could it be that they never know when I'm going to hit my "full" mark and toss meat in the air? I prefer God-like, LOL.
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Post by caprice on Mar 4, 2014 16:12:22 GMT -5
And they are like candy. Mine usually sits next to me on the front seat of my car, with the seat heater on high, so I can nom on the way home. You kill me! Finally, a practical use for heated seats. Now I've got to have them! Don't really like sitting on heated seats (never mind the reason .) (this makes my day - thanks!)
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Post by PrettyGirlBounce on Mar 4, 2014 16:44:28 GMT -5
HOW in the hell have I missed this gem? The leg is my FAVE part of turkey/chicken. This sounds too good to be true. I really hope my grocery store carries this although I am certain I would have seen it by now since I buy a hot rotisserie chicken at least once a week. Crossing fingers. Thanks for sharing. My dogs must think I'm the best hunter they've ever met. I leave the house and return with a cooked kill, ready to eat. In a dog's brain, that must be God-like. Do you suppose that's why they follow me around? Or could it be that they never know when I'm going to hit my "full" mark and toss meat in the air? I prefer God-like, LOL. OMFG I'm dying! LOLLLLLLLL That is hilarious. It's funny 'cause it's TRUE! I bet when you get home, the dogs immediately hear Bette Midler's "Wind Beneath My Wings" playing in their heads. Did you ever know that you're my heeeerrrrrooooo???
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Post by meq815 on Mar 4, 2014 16:51:06 GMT -5
Friggin hilarious.
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Post by sheanie on Mar 5, 2014 1:45:05 GMT -5
My dogs must think I'm the best hunter they've ever met. I leave the house and return with a cooked kill, ready to eat. In a dog's brain, that must be God-like. Do you suppose that's why they follow me around? Or could it be that they never know when I'm going to hit my "full" mark and toss meat in the air? I prefer God-like, LOL. OMFG I'm dying! LOLLLLLLLL That is hilarious. It's funny 'cause it's TRUE! I bet when you get home, the dogs immediately hear Bette Midler's "Wind Beneath My Wings" playing in their heads. Did you ever know that you're my heeeerrrrrooooo??? Right now my son has a video on FaceBook of our labradear sleeping. He's tickling her whiskers, which triggers a dream apparently, because she starts eating in her sleep. Hilarious stuff. We love playing a game with her with food. We put a piece of bacon by her nose when she's asleep, and wait to see how long before her nose wakes her up. The boys give a narrative in a dog's voice that never ceases to make us cry laughing. "One time, I dreamed there was bacon, and when I woke up, there was BACON RIGHT BY MY NOSE". I also love to come home from a restaurant and slide leftover bacon under the back kitchen door and watch the dogs eat it through the crack. It's fun to hang onto it so they have to yank it. Kind of like raccoon fishing with food at night while camping, but that's a whole other story. Yes, I am a sick person. I never grew up, and today I just turned 54.
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