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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2012 23:04:16 GMT -5
As an aside, I've been taking Florajen3 probiotic for about 10 months now. I have had fantastic results with it. I switched to Align because it was supposed to be "better". I immediately reversed all my good results and was dealing with hideous gas. I went back to Florajen3 and got it under control again. Just my .02. I am interested in Flagyl lately since I am thinking I am having a recurrence of bacteriol vaginosis and Flagyl is a treatment for it. It might kill two birds with one stone.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2012 12:49:23 GMT -5
As an aside, I've been taking Florajen3 probiotic for about 10 months now. I have had fantastic results with it. I switched to Align because it was supposed to be "better". I immediately reversed all my good results and was dealing with hideous gas. I went back to Florajen3 and got it under control again. Just my .02. I am interested in Flagyl lately since I am thinking I am having a recurrence of bacteriol vaginosis and Flagyl is a treatment for it. It might kill two birds with one stone. Florajen3 - where do you get that? I would do exactly what you suggest - since you have a good excuse anyway! As for me, it is now morning #4, and I woke up quite early - in fact, 6:45 is TOO early for a Sunday AM! - and had to go poop. But again, it was a large, easy and quick poop, compared to what I had been enduring for the weeks before starting on Flagyl, and I was able to go back to sleep afterwards and just woke up a while ago and had another smalll EASY poop. It is such a relief to feel close to (what passes for) normal again (as a DSer, normal is a different beast, of course). By the way, in case it isn't clear from what I've been writing and why, I am firmly convinced that for bariatric patients in general, and DSers in particular, these peer-to-peer discussions, observations, experiences and recommendations are UTTERLY INVALUABLE at making our post-op lives tolerable, successful and enjoyable. * It is HIGHLY unlikely that most of us would even TALK about these kinds of bathroom issues with anyone outside this community * Most of us would not even go to a doctor about something like this, and would just suffer in silence - and untreated, these bathroom issues do cause SUFFERING and can radically affect our lives - I was getting to the point where I could not leave the house before 10:30 AM or so, even if I got up at 6:30, because it was taking FOUR HOURS to finish pooping to the point where I was OK, and even then, my butt was still spasming. * Even if we went to a doctor, whether our surgeon or a PCP or even a GI specialist, NONE OF THEM would be likely to know what WE DSers collectively know about our gut issues - even if different people have different problems and different solutions, we have so much collective experience that SOMETHING someone has experienced and solved will apply to our problem, or someone can suggest a course of action that will eventually help. This is exactly the kind of thing that these boards are invaluable for, and why I urge all of you to suggest that anyone you know join this board to contribute and profit from it. /end PSA
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2012 14:55:28 GMT -5
You should check their website for a list of stores that carry it. It's kept in the pharmacy cold case at my local Bartell's (like a Walgreens). www.florajen.com/locator.cfmI've tried the garden of whatever super duper ultra and it did nothing for me. I've had continued and good success with the Florajen3. Ingredients: A freeze-dried strain (human source) of live: Lactobacillus acidophilus—over 7.5 billion Bifidobacterium lactis—over 6.0 billion Bifidobacterium longum—over 1.5 billion
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2012 16:41:08 GMT -5
You should check their website for a list of stores that carry it. It's kept in the pharmacy cold case at my local Bartell's (like a Walgreens). www.florajen.com/locator.cfmI've tried the garden of whatever super duper ultra and it did nothing for me. I've had continued and good success with the Florajen3. Ingredients: A freeze-dried strain (human source) of live: Lactobacillus acidophilus—over 7.5 billion Bifidobacterium lactis—over 6.0 billion Bifidobacterium longum—over 1.5 billion Hmm, no S. boulardii - that's the one that is supposed to be most important for keepin C. diff away. How many do you take per day?
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Post by KathyF on Feb 19, 2012 16:51:09 GMT -5
Talking about gut bacteria reminds me of this article I read a while back: Bacterial Ecosystems Divide People Into 3 Groups, Scientists Say www.nytimes.com/2011/04/21/science/21gut.html?_r=1It's rather long so I won't try to post it all here. It really is a fascinating read though. Explains why someone like me can eat beans, cruciferous vegetables and cucumbers with impunity while other people blow up like a hot air balloon. Or why I can't handle a large dose of whey protein while others have no issue with it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2012 19:18:10 GMT -5
Diana, I'm new to the board and a former patient of Slimshadie's. I have been having major heartburn that has been coming in waves. After reading your post on IBS,I realized that I was exhibiting symptoms of it that I had had years earlier. TRhe only difference now from then is the heartburn. Since the surgery I don't know if this could also be a symptom of IBS or not. Your thoughts? (Dr. Stewart, 12/12/11 down 60 lbs.) Have you been scoped and evaluated for GERD? What kind of treatment are you on?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2012 19:40:00 GMT -5
You should check their website for a list of stores that carry it. It's kept in the pharmacy cold case at my local Bartell's (like a Walgreens). www.florajen.com/locator.cfmI've tried the garden of whatever super duper ultra and it did nothing for me. I've had continued and good success with the Florajen3. Ingredients: A freeze-dried strain (human source) of live: Lactobacillus acidophilus—over 7.5 billion Bifidobacterium lactis—over 6.0 billion Bifidobacterium longum—over 1.5 billion Hmm, no S. boulardii - that's the one that is supposed to be most important for keepin C. diff away. How many do you take per day? I only take one per day. I'm not necessarily trying to keep c.diff away--maybe I should be, but I hadn't even thought of it!
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Post by feeder3565 on Feb 22, 2012 21:03:33 GMT -5
Getting back to you on what Mayo recommend for me.
Flagyl 250 for 14 days and then tapering as possible. She may need a repeat course of 2 weeks of every month, or even daily therapy and the tapering as needed to control systoms.
It would be reasonable to rotate antibiotic. For example, is she needs chronic antibiotics, change to 2 weeks flagyl and then 2 weeks of ciprofloxican or Levoflocacin and continue rotating every 2 weeks.
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Post by beemerbeeper on Feb 22, 2012 23:48:50 GMT -5
Getting back to you on what Mayo recommend for me. Flagyl 250 for 14 days and then tapering as possible. She may need a repeat course of 2 weeks of every month, or even daily therapy and the tapering as needed to control systoms. It would be reasonable to rotate antibiotic. For example, is she needs chronic antibiotics, change to 2 weeks flagyl and then 2 weeks of ciprofloxican or Levoflocacin and continue rotating every 2 weeks. Karen (and anybody else) Do you take the probiotic while you are on the flagyl or after you taper it off? Flagyl used to be MAGIC for me. I could eat ANYTHING on it. I have been taking 500 a day for a week and I see no difference at all. I am currently bloated like I am 14 months pregnant and in severe pain. I don't even know what I ate that caused this but I went to a restaurant so I'm sure there was something. I don't know what to do at this point. the flagyl isn't helping. I'm going to look for the probiotic you recommended altho I just bought the Align. I can't get a script for an antibiotic so if the flagyl (fish zole) doesn't work I'm SOL. This has GOT to get better. ~Becky
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Post by RedSkittles on Feb 23, 2012 11:41:28 GMT -5
You should check their website for a list of stores that carry it. It's kept in the pharmacy cold case at my local Bartell's (like a Walgreens). www.florajen.com/locator.cfmI've tried the garden of whatever super duper ultra and it did nothing for me. I've had continued and good success with the Florajen3. Ingredients: A freeze-dried strain (human source) of live: Lactobacillus acidophilus—over 7.5 billion Bifidobacterium lactis—over 6.0 billion Bifidobacterium longum—over 1.5 billion Hmm, no S. boulardii - that's the one that is supposed to be most important for keepin C. diff away. How many do you take per day? I have bought S. Boulardii separately for not-too-expensive (can't remember the price...but if I bought it, it must have been reasonable). Perchance you are eliminating some good probiotics based solely on the presence/absence of that one strain and you could build your probiotic DSer style, suiting it to your own needs. Vitamins aren't one size meets all and maybe probiotics aren't either? Another thing---the "human source" thing? What does that mean? Anyone know? Is that how most of the bacteria is isolated? I though it was mostly milk/soil non-person sources? Sounds freaky...and kinda reminiscent of those fecal transplants that were getting press time a bit ago.
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Post by California Poppy on Feb 23, 2012 12:54:31 GMT -5
I have bought S. Boulardii separately for not-too-expensive (can't remember the price...but if I bought it, it must have been reasonable). Perchance you are eliminating some good probiotics based solely on the presence/absence of that one strain and you could build your probiotic DSer style, suiting it to your own needs. Vitamins aren't one size meets all and maybe probiotics aren't either? Another thing---the "human source" thing? What does that mean? Anyone know? Is that how most of the bacteria is isolated? I though it was mostly milk/soil non-person sources? Sounds freaky...and kinda reminiscent of those fecal transplants that were getting press time a bit ago. Regarding whether or not probiotics are "one size fits all", one can infer from the article below that they are not: www.nytimes.com/2011/04/21/science/21gut.html?_r=3As for Florajen's "human source" bacteria, I was curious too, so I called the company (800-257-5433) to ask. The woman who answered said that she didn't have the information, but would put me through to the voicemail of their chief microbiologist, so that I could leave a message requesting a call back. (I declined - can't be interrupted by calls during business hours this week.) Here is the URL for Florajen's "technical information" pdf: www.florajen.com/technical.pdf
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Post by poodles on Sept 5, 2012 21:26:46 GMT -5
Checking for understanding; As we get further out, the section of the intestine that is bypassed can be subject to bacterial overgrowth. When this happens it brings upon several unpleasant side effects that need antibiotic intervention as well as probiotic help.
So, the verdict on Flagyl is that it worked at 500 mg twice a day for 10 days. After that probiotic strains such as those found in Alighn should be used to restore a healthy balance in the colon. As issues come up doses of 250 mg for 3 days can be used occasionally. Do not abuse the Flagyl or it can cause C.Diff.
But for bloating, gas, pain, and discomfort with BM's Flagyl helps.
Do I have it right? (I'm going to the DR tomorrow, so want to make sure I am clear on what I am asking for.)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2012 22:03:27 GMT -5
Checking for understanding; As we get further out, the section of the intestine that is bypassed can be subject to bacterial overgrowth. When this happens it brings upon several unpleasant side effects that need antibiotic intervention as well as probiotic help. So, the verdict on Flagyl is that it worked at 500 mg twice a day for 10 days. After that probiotic strains such as those found in Alighn should be used to restore a healthy balance in the colon. As issues come up doses of 250 mg for 3 days can be used occasionally. Do not abuse the Flagyl or it can cause C.Diff. But for bloating, gas, pain, and discomfort with BM's Flagyl helps. Do I have it right? (I'm going to the DR tomorrow, so want to make sure I am clear on what I am asking for.) Given your posting history, I am going to repeat: Until you have subjected your diet to appropriate limitations, including an ELIMINATION DIET, you do NOT belong on Flagyl. You are self diagnosing and self medicating and this is NOT okay. I would support any doctor protesting your requests at this point.
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Post by poodles on Sept 6, 2012 21:43:47 GMT -5
Just trying to figure out what has worked for others. And yes, I do self diagnose because the doctors around here have no clue about the DS. I have no clue what I am doing either. When I ask one DR they tell me to ask another. I am suppose to drink lemon for my kidney stones, low oxalate, no carb, not alot of fat (or I get reprocussions), and I deal with nausea to boot. I have tried no lactose, thinking I was lactose intollerant. Went totally organic with my fruit and veg, grass fed meats, pastured eggs, fresh pressed juices to absorb nutrients quickly. (don't do juices anymore)
I have landed on the floor dead because my DR's prescribed me meds they thought would work. But when I woke up with an EMT beating the hell out of me... I kinda figured out I need to be a little more proactive. If someone recommends something, I ask alot of questions. Did I go out and buy fish antibiotics? No. Would I if someone didn't try SOMETHING instead of passing me off to another Dr? Probably. I am at my wits end. My pain threshhold has been reached, the end of the tunnel looks pretty good for me right now, and so I have asked for help/information. I am tired of DR's passing me to another specialist and that specialist telling me to go to my WLS, then the WLS nurse says I need to go to X kind of Dr. I have gone to Four different doctors for this.
You think what you want. I am a non compliant carb eating, lactose guzzling, white flour addict. (Which I use to be). Now, I don't dare take a bite of ice cream or chocolate, or whey protein shakes. I once asked my dear Diana for help with my carb addiction, and she is blunt and to the point and I appreciate it. Since she has experience with the Flagyl stuff, and my symptoms are matching up, HECK Yea I diagnosed myself. Better than the FOUR doctors did. Say it is IBS and go on, or pass me off to another Dr is easy for them.
I had to go to 3 different kidney doctors regarding kidney stones too. Finally found one that believes me when I say I feel a kidney stone when it is up in the kidney. "No one can feel it until it goes to XYZ", well how do I know it is there? Not like I wake up and go... gee I need to spend more time/money on a DR think I will fake a kidney stone. I'm pretty darn good at faking those. I faked an 8mm one on the Xray last time.
Doctors are not perfect. Especially when it comes to DS patients. But I am glad you are.
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Post by clpeltz on Sept 6, 2012 22:39:05 GMT -5
So, I am 16 months post op and have never been on Flagyl. I am wondering if I may need a round. How do you know you need it? I have been very gassy and bloated. Rumbly guts all the time, but no pain....just rather annoying with all the noise, lol. The worst part is all the bloating. By the end of the day, I look 8 months pregnant. I seriously look like I am wearing a spare tire around the middle. My middle does not fit with the rest of my body, lol. Does this sound like something that could be treated with Flagyl? I take a probiotic in my regimen every day.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2012 11:24:41 GMT -5
Christina, the first question to ask yourself is, "What are you eating?" Foods can cause the symptoms you are experiencing and if you are eating those foods---cutting them out may fix the issue. Flagyl is not something most of us WANT to take.
Describe for us a few typical days of food and drink intake ....
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